Wake up

Mancini got sacked from Inter for failing to win the Champions League. They sacked him, brought Mourinho in and won it in his first year with the same group of players.

Bury your heads in the sand all you want. We've gone backwards this season, if it wasn't for united bottling it we wouldn't have won the league. Fuck all to do with Mancini.

Get rid and start again. Failing that we might as well just write the champions league off in future and concentrate on winning the league every year.

That way we won't even have to worry about FFP either.
 
Still not seen City play better than they did in the first 30 mins at Chelsea just before Xmas last year, was genuinely excited about the prospect that we could play that style of football..

Maybe teams have just been more defensive since then but haven't seen us really rip a team apart in 2012, well apart from Norwich.
 
Rocket-footed kolarov said:
Candidates for replacement; Benitez, Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp all quite different but would all make good appointments under the right structure for the job and two are available on a free.

Klopp said last week that he wants to stay in Germany and has no interest in working abroad atm.
The only places he will go if he leaves Dortmund are Bayern or more likely replacing Löw as trainer of the national side.
 
Re: WAKE UP.

sam-caddick said:
Ferguson never had the team or squad we have currently, our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

We should be making the knockout rounds as a minimum in my opinion, for me, it is all tactics that is the problem area, and I do believe Mancini will get it right - but how long do we have to wait?

our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

You must be bobbins at arguing.
 
Re: WAKE UP.

Stoned Rose said:
sam-caddick said:
Ferguson never had the team or squad we have currently, our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

We should be making the knockout rounds as a minimum in my opinion, for me, it is all tactics that is the problem area, and I do believe Mancini will get it right - but how long do we have to wait?

our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

You must be bobbins at arguing.
Whose better? Barca, Madrid, Munich and arguably chelsea and United.
 
Re: WAKE UP.

sam-caddick said:
Ferguson never had the team or squad we have currently, our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

We should be making the knockout rounds as a minimum in my opinion, for me, it is all tactics that is the problem area, and I do believe Mancini will get it right - but how long do we have to wait?

Yes it is only our second season but LOOK at the players we have! We will give Mancini time but will the owners? I think he will get one more season to show more 'promise' in the UCL.
 
Dethred said:
We lost badly to an Ajax side that played only 4 of their 11 from last year, most of the newcomers being academy "grads". Mancini humiliated himself with shitty management mid-game (directly leading to a goal) and didn't adjust his tactics to stop the first goal (Even Martin Tyler was discussing the weakness on the right wing 5 minutes before it went in). Then he put all four strikers on, thus having absolutely no midfield system and expected something from it???

I've never seen anything like it at this level. Never seen a world class left back not know what his role is when a frantic change to the system we've done nothing but fail at (3-5-2). Never seen a manager in two consecutive games switch the formation to the system that everyone knows unsettles his squad. You could see Ajax push forward and pressurize our defense after Mancini made the call for 3 at the back. Can anyone tell me you honestly weren't shouting at him when he made that call? Then he goes and immediately changes it back to 4-4-2. He's lost the fucking plot.

This season, we've gotten one point (theft if we're all honest), and Mancini has made glaring tactical mistakes in each game. What other club in recent Champions League memory can look at three poor results and point directly to the manager as the cause? When have any of you seen a manager change formations no less than 3 times and confuse the hell out of his players?

Worse yet, not only does not playing knockout matches hurt our revenue and compliance with FFP, but what world class players are going to want to join a club with a manager that appears to be inept in Europe??? Its going to cost us that much more to sign the players to continue improving this squad when they can point to the risk of poor Champions League runs.

We can discuss how we should have gone through last season, but we got 6 of our 10 points from a team that ended up getting relegated from La Liga and lost every group game (came closest to drawing with us though), 3 of the 10 were from a reserves Bayern Munich squad at home, and one was from Napoli at home.

Sorry to say, guys and gals, but us being happy with the league and the occasional domestic cup is not what Mansour invested nearly a billion pounds for. Financial Fair Play is going to screw the entire club if we aren't pulling in extra revenue from the last 16. Five years ago I'd have told you I'd be happy being mid-table in early May, now I know that for this investment strategy to work, even Premier league titles aren't going to be enough.

I think you're right re the owners view on this year's CL campaign. From a businessman's perpestive we have to be getting to the last 16 in order to

1. Bring in revenue
2. Remain a 'brand'
3. Attract the best/better players.

From a business perespective I'd say getting to the last 16 and beyond is more important than winning premiership titles and FA Cups.

That's not to say that's 'the right approach', but it is a fact of football life.

The owners wont be happy.
 
Re: WAKE UP.

greasedupdeafguy said:
Stoned Rose said:
sam-caddick said:
Ferguson never had the team or squad we have currently, our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

We should be making the knockout rounds as a minimum in my opinion, for me, it is all tactics that is the problem area, and I do believe Mancini will get it right - but how long do we have to wait?

our team is arguably the 3rd/4th best in the competition.

You must be bobbins at arguing.
Whose better? Barca, Madrid, Munich and arguably chelsea and United.

Erm Dortmund and Ajax? We'd also have our work cut out against Shalke and Shakhtar imo.

Like many of our fans you're over estimating our current team and under estimating everyone else. We are novices in europe and it shows.
 

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