Wake up

[Freestyler]

We lost badly to an Ajax side that played only 4 of their 11 from last year, most of the newcomers being academy "grads". Mancini humiliated himself with shitty management mid-game (directly leading to a goal) and didn't adjust his tactics to stop the first goal (Even Martin Tyler was discussing the weakness on the right wing 5 minutes before it went in). Then he put all four strikers on, thus having absolutely no midfield system and expected something from it???

I've never seen anything like it at this level. Never seen a world class left back not know what his role is when a frantic change to the system we've done nothing but fail at (3-5-2). Never seen a manager in two consecutive games switch the formation to the system that everyone knows unsettles his squad. You could see Ajax push forward and pressurize our defense after Mancini made the call for 3 at the back. Can anyone tell me you honestly weren't shouting at him when he made that call? Then he goes and immediately changes it back to 4-4-2. He's lost the fucking plot.

This season, we've gotten one point (theft if we're all honest), and Mancini has made glaring tactical mistakes in each game. What other club in recent Champions League memory can look at three poor results and point directly to the manager as the cause? When have any of you seen a manager change formations no less than 3 times and confuse the hell out of his players?

Worse yet, not only does not playing knockout matches hurt our revenue and compliance with FFP, but what world class players are going to want to join a club with a manager that appears to be inept in Europe??? Its going to cost us that much more to sign the players to continue improving this squad when they can point to the risk of poor Champions League runs.

We can discuss how we should have gone through last season, but we got 6 of our 10 points from a team that ended up getting relegated from La Liga and lost every group game (came closest to drawing with us though), 3 of the 10 were from a reserves Bayern Munich squad at home, and one was from Napoli at home.

Sorry to say, guys and gals, but us being happy with the league and the occasional domestic cup is not what Mansour invested nearly a billion pounds for. Financial Fair Play is going to screw the entire club if we aren't pulling in extra revenue from the last 16. Five years ago I'd have told you I'd be happy being mid-table in early May, now I know that for this investment strategy to work, even Premier league titles aren't going to be enough.

absolutely spot on.

Candidates for replacement; Benitez, Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp all quite different but would all make good appointments under the right structure for the job and two are available on a free.

To be honest there is only one man in the world for the job.

some say he'll come and go. but that man regrets leaving england and would love the chance to come to city with that bank balance. He's the man who would end his career in england with us, the man who tried to sign aguero, silva and nasri...

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

absolutely spot on.

Candidates for replacement; Benitez, Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp all quite different but would all make good appointments under the right structure for the job and two are available on a free.

To be honest there is only one man in the world for the job.

some say he'll come and go. but that man regrets leaving england and would love the chance to come to city with that bank balance. He's the man who would end his career in england with us, the man who tried to sign aguero, silva and nasri...

The point is anyone of them could do the job; Benitez won league titles in spain, has two european trophies turned around a disaster CL final to win and was an inch way from a PL title. Klopp has a progressive pressing style that means his teams will always compete, having him as manager would fit in well with an academy and youth policy, Guardiola likewise, Mourinho could bring us success but there would always be that lingering doubt of whether he was off to join somewhere new and shinier. They would all work under the right stucture, does Mancini have the right structure, if he does then there are little excuses for failure.

 

[HellasLEAF]

we just don't have the mentality to win away in the CL yet. this is something that takes quite a while to build, it comes from supreme confidence. City just aren't that club yet. City are a Europa League club at the moment.

 

[SlightlyDangerous]

we just don't have the mentality to win away in the CL yet. this is something that takes quite a while to build, it comes from supreme confidence. City just aren't that club yet. City are a Europa League club at the moment.

with a bit of luck we will miss out on Platini's shite Europa league.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

we just don't have the mentality to win away in the CL yet. this is something that takes quite a while to build, it comes from supreme confidence. City just aren't that club yet. City are a Europa League club at the moment.

Mentality is something that a manager should look to give to his team, he took them to a PL title win when all seemed lost, at 8 points down and then in the last minute, if he can't get us to play with energy, direction and structure away from home in Europe then where do we go from here. Success breeds success but failure and ineptitude can also result in more of the same, if we continue to be poor in Europe how will we ever cure this problem.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: WAKE UP.

Mancini is a winner and is staying for many years people wanting him out are just Jose lovers. There out in force tonight

Which is even funnier, considering the Madrid result.

 

[HellasLEAF]

we just don't have the mentality to win away in the CL yet. this is something that takes quite a while to build, it comes from supreme confidence. City just aren't that club yet. City are a Europa League club at the moment.

Mentality is something that a manager should look to give to his team, he took them to a PL title win when all seemed lost, at 8 points down and then in the last minute, if he can't get us to play with energy, direction and structure away from home in Europe then where do we go from here. Success breeds success but failure and ineptitude can also result in more of the same, if we continue to be poor in Europe how will we ever cure this problem.

Good question. I don't like the league and CL comparison though. Not the same kettle of fish in any way. Not to make excuses, but not drawing the toughest group 2 seasons in a row is a good start. For me, it's our defensive form and resiliency away that needs to change. City need to grind out a few more ugly results away.

 

[citymad]

We lost badly to an Ajax side that played only 4 of their 11 from last year, most of the newcomers being academy "grads". Mancini humiliated himself with shitty management mid-game (directly leading to a goal) and didn't adjust his tactics to stop the first goal (Even Martin Tyler was discussing the weakness on the right wing 5 minutes before it went in). Then he put all four strikers on, thus having absolutely no midfield system and expected something from it???

I've never seen anything like it at this level. Never seen a world class left back not know what his role is when a frantic change to the system we've done nothing but fail at (3-5-2). Never seen a manager in two consecutive games switch the formation to the system that everyone knows unsettles his squad. You could see Ajax push forward and pressurize our defense after Mancini made the call for 3 at the back. Can anyone tell me you honestly weren't shouting at him when he made that call? Then he goes and immediately changes it back to 4-4-2. He's lost the fucking plot.
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This season, we've gotten one point (theft if we're all honest), and Mancini has made glaring tactical mistakes in each game. What other club in recent Champions League memory can look at three poor results and point directly to the manager as the cause? When have any of you seen a manager change formations no less than 3 times and confuse the hell out of his players?

Worse yet, not only does not playing knockout matches hurt our revenue and compliance with FFP, but what world class players are going to want to join a club with a manager that appears to be inept in Europe??? Its going to cost us that much more to sign the players to continue improving this squad when they can point to the risk of poor Champions League runs.

We can discuss how we should have gone through last season, but we got 6 of our 10 points from a team that ended up getting relegated from La Liga and lost every group game (came closest to drawing with us though), 3 of the 10 were from a reserves Bayern Munich squad at home, and one was from Napoli at home.

Sorry to say, guys and gals, but us being happy with the league and the occasional domestic cup is not what Mansour invested nearly a billion pounds for. Financial Fair Play is going to screw the entire club if we aren't pulling in extra revenue from the last 16. Five years ago I'd have told you I'd be happy being mid-table in early May, now I know that for this investment strategy to work, even Premier league titles aren't going to be enough.

I'm still a mancini supporter but I have to say that's an excellent and thought provoking post.

 

[SlightlyDangerous]

Dethred wrote:
We lost badly to an Ajax side that played only 4 of their 11 from last year, most of the newcomers being academy "grads". Mancini humiliated himself with shitty management mid-game (directly leading to a goal) and didn't adjust his tactics to stop the first goal (Even Martin Tyler was discussing the weakness on the right wing 5 minutes before it went in). Then he put all four strikers on, thus having absolutely no midfield system and expected something from it???

I've never seen anything like it at this level. Never seen a world class left back not know what his role is when a frantic change to the system we've done nothing but fail at (3-5-2). Never seen a manager in two consecutive games switch the formation to the system that everyone knows unsettles his squad. You could see Ajax push forward and pressurize our defense after Mancini made the call for 3 at the back. Can anyone tell me you honestly weren't shouting at him when he made that call? Then he goes and immediately changes it back to 4-4-2. He's lost the fucking plot.
I
This season, we've gotten one point (theft if we're all honest), and Mancini has made glaring tactical mistakes in each game. What other club in recent Champions League memory can look at three poor results and point directly to the manager as the cause? When have any of you seen a manager change formations no less than 3 times and confuse the hell out of his players?

Worse yet, not only does not playing knockout matches hurt our revenue and compliance with FFP, but what world class players are going to want to join a club with a manager that appears to be inept in Europe??? Its going to cost us that much more to sign the players to continue improving this squad when they can point to the risk of poor Champions League runs.

We can discuss how we should have gone through last season, but we got 6 of our 10 points from a team that ended up getting relegated from La Liga and lost every group game (came closest to drawing with us though), 3 of the 10 were from a reserves Bayern Munich squad at home, and one was from Napoli at home.

Sorry to say, guys and gals, but us being happy with the league and the occasional domestic cup is not what Mansour invested nearly a billion pounds for. Financial Fair Play is going to screw the entire club if we aren't pulling in extra revenue from the last 16. Five years ago I'd have told you I'd be happy being mid-table in early May, now I know that for this investment strategy to work, even Premier league titles aren't going to be enough.

Why you worried rag

 

[Dethred]

I'm still a mancini supporter but I have to say that's an excellent and thought provoking post.

I would love to see him succeed and stay too! I think, especially after last year, he's grown somewhat attached to the club and that's more than just about any manager we've had in the past... 40-odd years.

Unfortunately, he made a right hash of things last night, and seeming up to the task of Europe. That wouldn't be a problem if Mansour had no expectations of making money on the club (which will require European success). The double edged sword is going to strike here soon, and we're going to realize that what we want doesn't always align with what is required for the club to make money.<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:02 pm --<br /><br />

Why you worried rag

There it is. A knuckle dragging mouth breather was bound to show up sometime.

"Nnnn No unduh stand criticismz. Muhss beeh a rag". Oh and calling someone a rag who's more interested in the club's long term interests than Mancini's... well... I can almost hear you saying "why you worried rag" in a slurring, drooling mentally handicapped voice.