Weight loss jabs

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It is of course economics and food industry factors as well - processed food and the fact that it's usually cheaper/easier to eat sugar laden crap. So I think we agree on that.
Let's face it though. You don't see fatties in famine afflicted regions or concentration camps etc. we all make some poor lifestyle choices and I suspect our lives would be dull if we didn't. Getting seriously obese is just negligent and irresponsible - we have to own our choices.
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But it’s not necessarily cheaper to eat crap food, just lazy fuckers who would rather use an app on the phone than make a healthy meal. The advent of having shit food delivery to your door without getting out of the armchair only makes it worse
 
Only 220,000 people will be offered the drug over the next three years.
Initially, it is only being given to patients with a BMI of 40 – or 37.5 if from a minority ethnic background – and who have four medical conditions, including type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure.

Approx £180.00 per mth privately which will no doubt start to increase, then it won’t be long til people start buying off the black market/from abroad

Weird how the BMI of ethnic minorities is different to be accepted. Strange

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GPs swamped by requests for NHS Mounjaro – but hardly anyone qualifies — The i Paper

Thousands taking Mounjaro privately are inundating GP surgeries - clogging phone lines, exacerbating the 8am scramble for appointments and putting ill people at risk
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Man-chester copperpot said:
Only 220,000 people will be offered the drug over the next three years.
Initially, it is only being given to patients with a BMI of 40 – or 37.5 if from a minority ethnic background – and who have four medical conditions, including type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure.

Approx £180.00 per mth privately which will no doubt start to increase, then it won’t be long til people start buying off the black market/from abroad

Weird how the BMI of ethnic minorities is different to be accepted. Strange

apple.news

GPs swamped by requests for NHS Mounjaro – but hardly anyone qualifies — The i Paper

Thousands taking Mounjaro privately are inundating GP surgeries - clogging phone lines, exacerbating the 8am scramble for appointments and putting ill people at risk
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I think the ethnic minority BMI threshold being lower may be because of genetically higher risk of diabetes?
Either that or they are all coming over here in dinghy's and taking our jobs and weight loss jabs.
 
anyoldblu said:
The nuanced scientific perspective we've all been waiting for! You're probably writing for effect and know that's a remarkably simplistic and frankly, ignorant position. You've either not read or chosen to dismiss entirely the scientific explanations already provided regarding ultra-processed foods, biological set points, and chronic disease.

Reducing complex health issues to "stuffing their fat faces and not moving enough" is not only inaccurate, but it's a harmful, judgmental cliché that has no place in a serious discussion about public health. The "environmental factor" is far more insidious than individual gluttony, and a genuinely informed perspective understands that.
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"Complex health issues"

The new, big boned
 
Bigga said:
Honestly, just reading this and other parts of the thread, I come away thinking what part of the psychological attachment to food is being addressed? I've seen posters indicate it's "not easy" or "it's hard" etc., without explaining what the background might be, so other posters will just shout "fat bastard" without the understanding.

There will be some who just like food and maybe they don't know why, but it needs to be addressed. There will be others that have a trauma based background and that they are in the middle of addressing or simply don't want to because they don't want to revisit the trauma. So the cycle begins where one becomes embarrassed at what they've done to their bodies.

I'm not perfect and have been critical of people that were close to me that were just eating for eating's sake and they hated the idea of exercise, responsibility and proportionality. But I, also, knew that person's background and what was said to them in their youth and them succumbing to that critique.

I don't judge like I used to, but I would like people not to criticise without better knowledge, me included.

But I know this stuff is highly personal without understanding the background knowledge.
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You asked - here's the three main points:

The Deep Psychological Impact of Food and Weight: For many, eating isn't just about hunger; it's deeply tied to emotions, stress, and even past experiences. Think of it as "comfort eating" or using food to cope with tough feelings, which is a common human response, not a weakness. When people are told to "just stop eating," it completely ignores the powerful emotional role food plays. This cycle of eating, gaining weight, and then feeling shame can trap individuals. Harvard Health Publishing offers insights into "Why people eat emotionally" and the underlying psychology read more here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-stress-causes-people-to-overeat

The Biological "Set Point" and the Body's Resistance to Weight Loss: Our bodies have a natural weight they prefer to maintain, often referred to as a "set point." When someone loses a lot of weight, their body essentially thinks it's starving. It fights back by slowing down metabolism (burning fewer calories even at rest) and ramping up hunger hormones, making you feel constantly hungry even after eating. This isn't a lack of effort; it's your body trying to return to its normal weight. This is why "yo-yo dieting" is so standard. Johns Hopkins Medicine explains "The Science of Why You Regain Weight, Even After Successful Diets," detailing how biology works against long-term maintenance, see here: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/maintaining-weight-loss

Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs) and Their Impact on Brain Function and Cravings: These aren't just "bad foods"; they're engineered to make you overeat. UPFs are packed with just the right mix of sugar, unhealthy fats, and salt to hit a "bliss point," making them incredibly appealing and, for some, genuinely addictive. They can essentially hijack your brain's reward system, leading to constant "food noise" – those intrusive thoughts about eating, even when you're not hungry. It's not about simple hunger; it's your brain responding to powerful, designed-in cues. Dr. Chris van Tulleken's book "Ultra-Processed People" is a fantastic and accessible resource that explains exactly how these foods affect our brains and bodies. There's a good video here:


N1985 said:
"Complex health issues"

The new, big boned
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Better than being small-brained ;-)
 
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anyoldblu said:
You asked - here's the three main points:

The Deep Psychological Impact of Food and Weight: For many, eating isn't just about hunger; it's deeply tied to emotions, stress, and even past experiences. Think of it as "comfort eating" or using food to cope with tough feelings, which is a common human response, not a weakness. When people are told to "just stop eating," it completely ignores the powerful emotional role food plays. This cycle of eating, gaining weight, and then feeling shame can trap individuals. Harvard Health Publishing offers insights into "Why people eat emotionally" and the underlying psychology read more here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-people-eat-emotionally

The Biological "Set Point" and the Body's Resistance to Weight Loss: Our bodies have a natural weight they prefer to maintain, often referred to as a "set point." When someone loses a lot of weight, their body essentially thinks it's starving. It fights back by slowing down metabolism (burning fewer calories even at rest) and ramping up hunger hormones, making you feel constantly hungry even after eating. This isn't a lack of effort; it's your body trying to return to its normal weight. This is why "yo-yo dieting" is so standard. Johns Hopkins Medicine explains "The Science of Why You Regain Weight, Even After Successful Diets," detailing how biology works against long-term maintenance, see here: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...you-regain-weight-even-after-successful-diets

Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs) and Their Impact on Brain Function and Cravings: These aren't just "bad foods"; they're engineered to make you overeat. UPFs are packed with just the right mix of sugar, unhealthy fats, and salt to hit a "bliss point," making them incredibly appealing and, for some, genuinely addictive. They can essentially hijack your brain's reward system, leading to constant "food noise" – those intrusive thoughts about eating, even when you're not hungry. It's not about simple hunger; it's your brain responding to powerful, designed-in cues. Dr. Chris van Tulleken's book "Ultra-Processed People" is a fantastic and accessible resource that explains exactly how these foods affect our brains and bodies; you can find more on his work here: https://www.christvantulleken.com/ultra-processed-people




Better than being small-brained ;-)
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Just reading back through this thread and the one on treadmills and thinking maybe we should have a fatties sub-forum? I'd be in it for at least a few weeks after Xmas but you'd also get chubby chasers and feeders like @snorky and @BlueMoonRisin’ using it as a dating site :-(
I've a lot of time for fat cunts, and plan to give the sofa based eating challenge a go myself when I retire.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Just reading back through this thread and the one on treadmills and thinking maybe we should have a fatties sub-forum? I'd be in it for at least a few weeks after Xmas but you'd also get chubby chasers and feeders like @snorky and @BlueMoonRisin’ using it as a dating site :-(
I've a lot of time for fat cunts, and plan to give the sofa based eating challenge a go myself when I retire.
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Roll ;)​

 
anyoldblu said:
You're wrong. The science doesn't support that position.. Spend a little time reading around and challenge your very internalised views.

Major health organisations, including the World Health Organisation and our own NICE in the UK, officially recognise obesity as a complex, chronic disease. This isn't about individual moral failing; it's about significant biological, genetic, and environmental factors that go far beyond "just eating less." It's why GP referrals to programs like Oviva exist.
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And cakes taste nice
 
anyoldblu said:
You asked - here's the three main points:

The Deep Psychological Impact of Food and Weight: For many, eating isn't just about hunger; it's deeply tied to emotions, stress, and even past experiences. Think of it as "comfort eating" or using food to cope with tough feelings, which is a common human response, not a weakness. When people are told to "just stop eating," it completely ignores the powerful emotional role food plays. This cycle of eating, gaining weight, and then feeling shame can trap individuals. Harvard Health Publishing offers insights into "Why people eat emotionally" and the underlying psychology read more here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-stress-causes-people-to-overeat

The Biological "Set Point" and the Body's Resistance to Weight Loss: Our bodies have a natural weight they prefer to maintain, often referred to as a "set point." When someone loses a lot of weight, their body essentially thinks it's starving. It fights back by slowing down metabolism (burning fewer calories even at rest) and ramping up hunger hormones, making you feel constantly hungry even after eating. This isn't a lack of effort; it's your body trying to return to its normal weight. This is why "yo-yo dieting" is so standard. Johns Hopkins Medicine explains "The Science of Why You Regain Weight, Even After Successful Diets," detailing how biology works against long-term maintenance, see here: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/maintaining-weight-loss

Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs) and Their Impact on Brain Function and Cravings: These aren't just "bad foods"; they're engineered to make you overeat. UPFs are packed with just the right mix of sugar, unhealthy fats, and salt to hit a "bliss point," making them incredibly appealing and, for some, genuinely addictive. They can essentially hijack your brain's reward system, leading to constant "food noise" – those intrusive thoughts about eating, even when you're not hungry. It's not about simple hunger; it's your brain responding to powerful, designed-in cues. Dr. Chris van Tulleken's book "Ultra-Processed People" is a fantastic and accessible resource that explains exactly how these foods affect our brains and bodies. There's a good video here:




Better than being small-brained ;-)
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Isn't though is it. I'd rather be a thick **** than a THICK ****.

Small brained and small portions sweetheart. You keep hiding behind excuses. Like a true Scouser, it's not your fault.
 
Find it a bit weird how keen people are to make a joke out of weight when we all know that weight and body image has a huge impact on the mental health of young males in particular.

Still, I guess if you can get a couple of chuckles on the internet it's all ok.
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Only 220,000 people will be offered the drug over the next three years.
Initially, it is only being given to patients with a BMI of 40 – or 37.5 if from a minority ethnic background – and who have four medical conditions, including type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure.

Approx £180.00 per mth privately which will no doubt start to increase, then it won’t be long til people start buying off the black market/from abroad

Weird how the BMI of ethnic minorities is different to be accepted. Strange

apple.news

GPs swamped by requests for NHS Mounjaro – but hardly anyone qualifies — The i Paper

Thousands taking Mounjaro privately are inundating GP surgeries - clogging phone lines, exacerbating the 8am scramble for appointments and putting ill people at risk
apple.news apple.news
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It's weird that it's all ethnic minorities. I've heard that East Asians need to have a different definition of obese because they get the higher risks associated with obesity at a lower BMI (which is a flawed measurement anyway really). But I've never heard the same thing about Indians or Africans (and Africa is way more genetically diverse than the rest of the planet anyway, so it'd be hard to generalize there), for example. Perhaps they actually mean particular ethnic minorities that have been shown to have a higher risk, rather than just all.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It's weird that it's all ethnic minorities. I've heard that East Asians need to have a different definition of obese because they get the higher risks associated with obesity at a lower BMI (which is a flawed measurement anyway really). But I've never heard the same thing about Indians or Africans (and Africa is way more genetically diverse than the rest of the planet anyway, so it'd be hard to generalize there), for example. Perhaps they actually mean particular ethnic minorities that have been shown to have a higher risk, rather than just all.
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I heard on the radio it would take the NHS 12 years to clear the backlog of those who are eligible.
There will be more than enough ethnic minorities who qualify under the higher rate set for the white population, so no need to set a lower rate as it just stirs up racial tensions.
 
moomba said:
Find it a bit weird how keen people are to make a joke out of weight when we all know that weight and body image has a huge impact on the mental health of young males in particular.

Still, I guess if you can get a couple of chuckles on the internet it's all ok.
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Victims of their own appetites. Eating less shite and doing some exercise would very quickly address weight, body image and mental health too. Gluttony/obesity is pretty near the bottom of the list of conditions that deserve sympathy/empathy - especially in a world where people are actually starving.
 
Someone I know well, has just returned from Malta having had a gastric band fitted, he's 24stone, has a knee problem and has been awaiting an operation on the NHS ,for three years.When he attends for accessments to see if he's fit for sergury he's told he's got to lose weight.So for a week or two he's focused on weight loss, then there's a family party, or he's going on holiday and uses this as an excuse to blow everything he's done claiming "I've been good recently"! Thus the weight piles back on and he's back to where he started .

So two weeks ago it was off to Malta for the procedure at his own expense (£5600)! Now he's back on the diet they've put him on (The private clinic in Malta), of clear broth for two weeks, two more weeks of pureed food, then back on solids . However already he's bending the rules to suit.Yes he's lost 11lb in twelve days, which is positive and if he was to maintain the diet plan the weight will fall off , however on Friday evening he says he can't wait to get back to "Cottage pie, full English breakfast and a pint of Lager" These are the things along with no idea of portion control that's got him into this sorry mess.

Personally I'm glad he's not being offered these weight loss injections as it would be a waste of money, I'll support and encourage him all the time whilst he's playing by the rules the medic's have put before him, though I don't think it'll be too long before he's back to his old bad habits and his knee operation won't be able to happen (this apparently restricts his ability to exercise ATM), though I think not.

Some people spend years going from a normal weight to obese, and it's those who want the weight loss in months, and then revert to their piss poor diet and poor decision making about how and how much to consume.

There's no magic cure and the individual has to want to get fit and healthy again.
 
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