Welcome Donnarumma!

[Saddleworth2]

That is fine, but even at 71.9% it is hardly better than Ederson and people think he was poor at traditional keeping

If context matters, why just the CL stats on 4 cherry-picked games?

It wasn't really about Trafford, more to do with the stat that the best keeper in the world had a worse shot-to-goal ratio than the one leaving, when people were claiming that he would be a vast improvement in that department.

Last season (when he got most criticism) Ederson was 2nd to Pickford in having the best stats for expected goals saved. His shot stopping was underestimated.

 

[JewelZee]

Tbh that's some fucking long ball

Must be a British thing...

 

[JewelZee]

Tbh that's some fucking long ball

Ah now I see...LMFAO at myself...

 

[JewelZee]

It was just a comment and certainly not a criticism.
Not that it’s anything to do with you, but I’m delighted we’ve signed him, as I’ve consistently posted throughout this thread.

Why would it have anything to do with me? As far as I know this stuff isn't intended to be personal...

 

[JewelZee]

Did you watch it? I just watched the highlights. Here's what I saw:

Disallowed goal: Donnarumma flaps at it badly and gets lucky - pretty soft foul in my view - needs to be stronger.
Goal 1 - Comical own goal - Donnarumma does nothing wrong.
Goal 2 - Fantastic strike - no chance
Save - Great double save around 75 mins to keep it at 3-2
Goal 3 - Another comical own goal - no chance and does nothing wrong
Goal 4 - Defenders allow two free headers in the box from an inswinging free kick, which makes him look like he's in no-man's land. I could be very critical and say he should come for the initial ball, but I think he's got to trust his defenders there, because it's not really central enough for him to be confident of getting there.

Other than that, a few fairly routine saves on the highlights I saw, but no spills and decent handling every time.

Honestly, if we ignore the first disallowed goal, I'd say it's a very unkind reading of the game to suggest he struggled. Obviously any keeper letting in 4 is going to be furious, but none of them were his fault in my book.

Watched the entire match and that's pretty much what happened...

 

[bluealf]

I haven’t been critical of Ederson. What's more, I think some fans have gone over the top criticising his performances.

Now, I haven't watched Donnarumma enough to have a firm opinion. But I trust the opinion of experts that he is one of the best keepers in the world. Their opinion was confirmed by the CL games I watched, specifically vs Liverpool and Arsenal.

What about the stats? Maybe they are not as telling about his quality as some think. PSG play very attacking football and may be a bit too open, especially in the domestic league, which leads to high quality chances for the opposition. Also, they play weakened sides in the league, as they can afford to rotate.

Anyone who thinks our club hasn't done a thorough research on his strengths and weaknesses is being naive. I guess some people don't know the most relevant stats or how to make sense of them.

I didn't say you were critical of Ederson, at this point, I'm not sure what you are reading or inferring from my posts.

Best left, as I see you are resorting to a little bit of insulting at the end there, for no apparent reason.

 

[CΛL]

Clearly I’m blind and bow to your superior vision….

Clearly

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Last season (when he got most criticism) Ederson was 2nd to Pickford in having the best stats for expected goals saved. His shot stopping was underestimated.

Ederson was an fine shot stopper, I felt he suffered from the fact when we gave a chance away it was usually a very good one the opposition would be expected to score. I can't remember more than 10 goals in 8 years I've seen go past Eddy and thought "he has to do better there". It is also fair to say I rarely saw Eddy make a save and thought 'fuck me he's saved a certain goal there' whereas Donnarumma makes those saves regularly.

 

[alexmcity]

Best left, as I see you are resorting to a little bit of insulting at the end there, for no apparent reason.

You are right, my bad. Just wanted to say that it's premature to worry about Donna's quality based on stats.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Ederson was and is still good enough for city. The way we handled his wanting to leave shows that.

His shot stopping, foot skills, assist rate, all top notch.

Last year or so what has happened some people have moaned about how he is shit and just kept on moaning. Not that it affected anything. But I think it was just one of those things where if enough people say it, tweet it, podcast about it, enough people will believe it.

The club knew his true value to City though, that's why Donnarumma was late and unexpected as was Trafford. Imo

 

[g180aj]

The issue we will always have is we have a high line and a lack of pace at the back, Goalkeepers will always be subject to 1 on 1’s due to how we play and will look worse because of it.

 

[Burtonblue]

The media knives are already out for Donnarumma just as they were in the beginning for Pep and every single fucking signing we have ever made.
It’s no surprise.
Just contrast with the reception Wirtz has had despite doing absolutely fuck all since pulling on his red top.
It’s laughable really and shouldn’t do but it still makes me angry to see those cunts putting us down even before a player has made an appearance for us.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Ederson was a fine shot stopper, I felt he suffered from the fact when we gave a chance away it was usually a very good one the opposition would be expected to score. I can't remember more than 10 goals in 8 years I've seen go past Eddy and thought "he has to do better there". It is also fair to say I rarely saw Eddy make a save and thought 'fuck me he's saved a certain goal there' whereas Donnarumma makes those saves regularly.

There was about 5 of them just last year where he could have done better. Agree though that there wasn’t really howlers. But if most first shots on our goal end up in, the keeper needs looking at, at some point

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

The media knives are already out for Donnarumma just as they were in the beginning for Pep and every single fucking signing we have ever made.
It’s no surprise.
Just contrast with the reception Wirtz has had despite doing absolutely fuck all since pulling on his red top.
It’s laughable really and shouldn’t do but it still makes me angry to see those cunts putting us down even before a player has made an appearance for us.

We need to win and shut them up don’t we. Writz has got away with it with Liverpool winning 3/3.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

There was about 5 of them just last year where he could have done better. Agree though that there wasn’t really howlers. But if most first shots on our goal end up in, the keeper needs looking at, at some point

A few of the 10 were definitely last year! Feyenoord he probably had his worst game for City.

 

[jamielowndes]

A few of the 10 were definitely last year! Feyenoord he probably had his worst game for City.

Yeah I've defended Ederson through a lot, but that 2nd half was not easy watching, especially being there for it.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

The media knives are already out for Donnarumma just as they were in the beginning for Pep and every single fucking signing we have ever made.
It’s no surprise.
Just contrast with the reception Wirtz has had despite doing absolutely fuck all since pulling on his red top.
It’s laughable really and shouldn’t do but it still makes me angry to see those cunts putting us down even before a player has made an appearance for us.

The knives were out for him on here in deadline day, and beyond.

Fuck the media.

 

[blueparrot]

The knives were out for him on here in deadline day, and beyond.

Fuck the media.

There might be some of that ,probably is, but there is also a lot of media,incuding some City fan media, and some in here I'd include myself that can't quite get their heads around it and are waiting to see how it works.Not worried about it just find it odd and intrigued as what we do next.

 

[Stelea]

Looking forward to seeing Donnasummer. Our flakey defence need a ‘presence’ behind them to hopefully organise and put them in their place

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Loyal? He refused a contract extension last year and psg have gone to market, he’d be still there if he’d signed it; he’s from the Riaola agency, who’s whole negotiating tactic is ‘pay what I’m worth’ or adios, you think haalands renewal was measly or locking him in?

The price point on Donnarumma left psg snookered after the initial wage agreement, hence they refused the proposed counter…

We get him for 4/5 years, doesn’t break our wage structure, coupled with the 12m for Eddie, and minus his own 200k a week wages, we got him for 14m, and an extra 50k a week, not too shabby….

We also needed to change it up as the system had to evolve, it may go tits but it was a necessity!

Agree with some of your points.

PSG departed ways with Donnarumma mostly due to Donnarumma's wage demands according to what I've read.

That said, PSG - like us - play a ball control system - as both a means of offense and defense. Unlike PSG, we are unable to cope with Donnarumma's weakness at passing - PSG has world class and IMO several #1 in the world players at LB, LCB, RCB and RB. All of them have pace and all of them are excellent on the ball and all of them are excellent when under pressure (AIt Nouri is weak on defense and tends to dribble into trouble when under pressure; Gvardiol is perfect; Dias is less good than Gvardiol but certain can fit with Donnarumma; Stones is perfect; Lewis is terrible and Nunes has potential but isn't great either).

A little research on Donnarumma would reveal that he's #1 or #2 at shot stopping in his box. And that he's not great at commanding the box on - for example corner kicks - and isn't gifted on the ball - and doesn't sweep - and doesn't offer himself as a passing option when building from the back.

Look - I hope that Donnarumma is successful in our side - but for me, he doesn't at all fit our system (not good on the ball) and furthermore, unlike PSG, we can't cope with this deficiency if we want to most often play from the back.

Sure Pep might change our system to hoof it much more often... but that's counter to everything that Pep has done in his entire career so I very much doubt that this is happening.

TL/DR
Welcome Donnarumma - I very much hope that you'll succeed.
But at the same time, given the way that we've always played under Pep and given Donnarumma's average passing ability (at best) coupled with our current defensive line - Donnarumma is a misfit and were going to be worse than if Ederson or Trafford were in goal IMO. I may be wrong in this opinion of course - but pretty much every single pundit I've watched expresses the exact same opinion.

Again I may be wrong - and I hope that I am for the sake of our side - but if I'm wrong, then so are 90% or so of all football pundits.