Wenger wants Given or Hart

de niro said:
AntonDonJuan said:
Joe Hart should be our number one.

Does what Given does just as well, but can command his area a bit better and his distribution is better. And he's only young so will only improve with each game

joe has everything except experience, his decision making is below par, when he gets that right he has every tool in the box.

Thats all well and true Bill..but didnt casillas play in the champs league at aged 19 ?? experience can only be gained by being thrown in at the deep end and learning it the hard way..i for one thought joe would have a mare at Birmingham last year and i'm so glad i was proved wrong..
 
de niro said:
AntonDonJuan said:
Joe Hart should be our number one.

Does what Given does just as well, but can command his area a bit better and his distribution is better. And he's only young so will only improve with each game

joe has everything except experience, his decision making is below par, when he gets that right he has every tool in the box.

Give me Harts decision making over Givens every time! Given always takes the safe option where he doesn't get shown to have dropped an almighty clanger! I would much rather have a keeper who comes for crosses and misses the odd one than a keeper who is fucking glued to his line and sees countless headers from 6 yards out go flying past him whilst numpties in the crowd say "poor given, he had no chance with that header from 3 yards out"!
 
OrigamiNinja said:
de niro said:
joe has everything except experience, his decision making is below par, when he gets that right he has every tool in the box.

Give me Harts decision making over Givens every time! Given always takes the safe option where he doesn't get shown to have dropped an almighty clanger! I would much rather have a keeper who comes for crosses and misses the odd one than a keeper who is fucking glued to his line and sees countless headers from 6 yards out go flying past him whilst numpties in the crowd say "poor given, he had no chance with that header from 3 yards out"!

To be fair though, and I want Hart installed as No.1 immediately for the record, when we signed Given Hart was doing ok but not winning us any matches or saving us points. Given comes in and immediately wins us the game against Boro.

Hart's time at Brum has been brilliant for him and it's now time to get him as our first choice for club and country.
 
m27 said:
OrigamiNinja said:
Give me Harts decision making over Givens every time! Given always takes the safe option where he doesn't get shown to have dropped an almighty clanger! I would much rather have a keeper who comes for crosses and misses the odd one than a keeper who is fucking glued to his line and sees countless headers from 6 yards out go flying past him whilst numpties in the crowd say "poor given, he had no chance with that header from 3 yards out"!

To be fair though, and I want Hart installed as No.1 immediately for the record, when we signed Given Hart was doing ok but not winning us any matches or saving us points. Given comes in and immediately wins us the game against Boro.

Hart's time at Brum has been brilliant for him and it's now time to get him as our first choice for club and country.

I agree to a certain extent but as I said Given is a "play it safe" keeper who makes some outstanding saves. It is much easier to pick out games where he gained us points (Boro) and much more difficult to pick out games where you can say he cost us the game. Trust me it happened a few times last season mainly due to him being afraid of stepping a yard off his line!

Hart has had his year away on loan gaining experience and he was considered mature enough to be taken to a World Cup. If he is big enough and man enough for that he should be considered good enough and mature enough to be City's number 1!

The added bonus is if we were to sell Given now we would probably get our money back on him which is no mean feat considering his age!
 
OrigamiNinja said:
de niro said:
joe has everything except experience, his decision making is below par, when he gets that right he has every tool in the box.

Give me Harts decision making over Givens every time! Given always takes the safe option where he doesn't get shown to have dropped an almighty clanger! I would much rather have a keeper who comes for crosses and misses the odd one than a keeper who is fucking glued to his line and sees countless headers from 6 yards out go flying past him whilst numpties in the crowd say "poor given, he had no chance with that header from 3 yards out"!

Furthermore Hart had a 98% catch record compared to Given's 92%
 
calculated said:
If Hart is so good why didn't he start in the WC? If Given was English do you think David James would have started ahead of him? Mancini has labelled Given top 5 in the world. Hart's a good keeper with lots of potential but hasn't got the experience yet to be resting our champions league qualification and potential title hopes on. Given our no.1 for the league for me, Hart for the cups.

on this logic...
if heskey is so bad why did he start most wc games for england?
 
I am gutted that most of you want Hart and to sell Given. Does anyone know if Macini has confirmed Hart is number 1 or is it just paper talk?
 

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