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Complete and utter shite, I thought the Madrid game might have embarrassed them enough they would want to put a bit of a performance in. Alas, fuck all.

Can moan about tactics and who’s out there all day but that 11 has to be enough to win, none of them look interested. We look as bad as the other relegation teams who are going through the motions and waiting for the manager to be sacked, other than Wolves.
 
shot/header same thing maybe i should of said attempt on goal then we wouldn't have been pedantic
but my point still stands
we score enough goals over the season second only to arsenal by one
on the only attempt on goal they had they scored this has happened before in other games
and is a constant frustration certainly to me

Sure it's frustrating but whether their goal comes from one chance they had or twenty it's really irrelevant at the end of the day, that's just how things are. In a perfect world we would never concede, score every game and never lose and win every trophy we compete in. Life and football just isn't like that.
 
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I don't like slagging Pep off but what has Gonzalez and Cherki have to do to get a start?

Gonzalez hasn't put a foot wrong and I am sure we was winning a lot of games with him in the starting line up

Cherki, this is the only guy we have who can create (apart from Foden but he doesn't seem to be on it this season) again, he doesn't start - surely, with teams that just pack the box we need him to start.

Semenyo and Marmoush first touch is diabolical, I have no idea why we are starting them up front with Haaland as well, every time the ball was fired to their feet they just seem to lose it.

If it was me I would play 2 of the 3 and have Cherki or Foden there for a bit of creativity.

Semenyo is nowhere near a top level footballer for me. The goals mask the performances.
 
So’s Salah, but scores goals. You can’t buy a player ripping it up in one position and play him in a different position you bought him for. Semenyo looked great in his normal position first few games. The lads a goal scorer, then we start playing him out of position.
You have to be pretty much delusional if you think Salah was a poor footballer that scored goals. He has fallen off now, but Liverpool used to feed him the ball in any situation and he had the technical ability to beat a man or two to create a chance for himself and the intelligence and crativity to create a chance for others when needed. He wasn't Messi and not even as technically proficient as someone like Mahrez but as far as direct goalscoring wingers go he was very good footballer.

Marmoush and Semenyo you never know if they are going to trap the ball. But more concerning, they seem incapable of even beating a man to get a shot off. Everything has to happen on as few touches as possible. Haaland is much better than both at linking up play when he is actually asked to get involved. And that says a lot about the other two that are supposed to prefer playing a bit deeper. Under Pep you will never ever succeed with this many players with inclnsistent 1st, 2nd or third touches on the balls.

Now, if we did what I want us to do and aspiring to become the best high-octane direct, fast flowing team in the world there is space for them.
 
Why the fuck do we wait until time is running out before we play with urgency and actually start creating chances. How about we start doing that earlier instead of pissing about with the ball for the majority of the game.
Cherki looks a decent buy but needs to start. Bringing him on with 20 minutes left against a team intent on keeping a point is utter stupidity. Goals are relatively rare in football so we need to be making subs at half-time, or even earlier, if things aren't going our way.
In the days of one sub it made sense to leave it late to mitigate the risk of injury, but with five subs we should be changing things much earlier.
 
Another who needs to win every game, does this represent our fanbase or just Bluemoon forum?

So hard to read BM and decide whether the comments are from a snide rag/dipper **** or some really sad and pathetic fans, who can't deal with not winning.

After a loss or a draw these days, the vitriol added to sheer stupidity becomes toxic.

At it's best BM is a good forum imo, but with the advent of social fucking media it has been dragged down to rag/dipper fuckwit levels.
 
And David silva was too lightweight, yaya a sack of spuds (I confess to being totally unconvinced at the outset) Kev was overpriced, vinnie a midfielder…… players take time to settle. Usually a season. Hopefully reindeer will be better next season. Mark G and Semenyo already slotting in.(Dont get why the latter starting to get complained about. Thought he was mobile and at it yesterday.) Cherki is one of most exciting players we’ve bought in a long while. I really like Kusanov. Gonzalez has something about him just needs to learn from Rodri. Nunes and Doku doing ok now. So there are six or seven outfield players there plus foden and Harland who surely will get their form back. Stuttering and misfiring but there is something emerging. Need to find a settled first 11 and win a cup to start the next era!

Ive listened to a few decent football pundits, ex pro's and they've said we will be inconsistent at times while Pep continues to rebuild. Were not actually as inconsistent as some like to believe though as we've only lost once in the last eighteen league games. Small margins we're getting there.
 
i guess the counter argument is we are still in all for comps(just i grant you) we are the second highest goalscorers by one and the second best defence.
had some great results madrid away liverpool away toon away with the second string and some bad spurs at home bodo and madrid away utd away
think we are very much in a transition
we can dig in as we saw at arsenal and were unlucky to concede late on when josko had a brain fart
wish we had done it in some other games like last wednesday for instance, but pep loves his high line and sometimes we pay the price
We could be out of 3 by Sunday night next week with nothing.
 
Ive listened to a few decent football pundits, ex pro's and they've said we will be inconsistent at times while Pep continues to rebuild. Were not actually as inconsistent as some like to believe though as we've only lost once in the last eighteen league games. Small margins we're getting there.

Far too many on here don't want to read common-sense posts @paulchapo .

Patience is something alien to many in this must-have-now world .
 
Thanks for the advice.

But most of us want to watch attacking and exciting football, not mind numbing walking football, passing sideways and backwards for 90 minutes + injury time. Believe it or not, Pep used to get his teams to play exciting and fluid football, whilst retaining the ball and also wining the ball back that won us numerous trophies. Now it’s all about keeping the ball, passing it around aimlessly throughout the match, hoping against hope of breaking down a packed 10 men defence camped in and around the 18 yard box , and doing next to nothing with free kicks and corners.

Fair enough. I'm as bored out of my skull with it as you are.

But here's the rub. What exactly do you do when you're, say, Rod or Bernie, advancing into forward midfield with the ball at your feet, and you're looking into, almost literally, a forest of players in front of you, most in the box, or otherwise camped about five to ten yards in front of it? What do you do except pass it to the side, probably out to the wings, in the hope that your wingers will get round the outside?
If you try to put the ball forward, there is at best a fifty-fifty chance it will go to the foot of the wrong one of those players making up that thicket of legs. Even if it does go to your man, he's got his back to goal, he cannot turn unless he's lightning quick, because he's got four opposition defenders straight away right up his backside. You can't play a through ball for him to run on to, because… same reason, there is simply no space behind him to run into.
We're not talking about spaces that are available here. We're talking about crevices. And that is the case for 80 to 85% of the game. And nearly every team now plays that way against us. Now we did have a player, one David Silva, who was capable of finding those crevices. A generational midfielder. Astonishingly, we then found another, one Kevin de Bruyne, who was pretty good at it too. Another generational player. We had no right to have two in one generation, and we sure as hell haven't got anyone with that level of accuracy and vision in midfield any more (it's not Rodri, it was never quite his role). So what do you do? You keep possession, rather than playing a forward ball and then them breaking fast, outrunning your high back line, and scoring against you with their first chance — and we have seen that over and over — and presume that their concentration will lapse at some point and the crevice will open somewhat wider. It's often worked, even this season. Even last. In Haaland's first season he was running into space behind the defensive line and murdering teams, scoring hat tricks breezily, because he can outrun most defenders once he gets going. He also had a Belgian midfielder who was eerily, perfectly attuned to those runs. All that's changed. Teams and their coaches wised up to that.
Answer: play against Manchester City as though you're playing at the Etihad, regardless of whether you're home or away. Be happy with a point (!) and celebrate it like maniacs as though you'd won a cup. Even their fans buy into it, apparently, because they saw us slaughter them so many times since 2017-18, they got sick of it, and they don't want to see it again.
You can put angled high balls into the box, but we're an attack that prefers it on the ground, we don't generally have an aerially dominant attack — even Erling is not the bully you'd expect him to be in the air — and so there's a very, very good chance of their big centre halves heading it away. Again and again and again. Then, depending on how the ball falls — the break. The chance. The goal.
Arsenal's solution? Forget about open play, generally. Score if you can from that (they did it last night). Otherwise, score from set pieces, harrass the opposition into own goals if you can. Penalties also are useful.
Yes, it bores the fuck out of me, but that's the way it is. That's the way the league has decided to play against us, and it's been the case for several seasons. I don't have a solution to it, not sure if Pep has. But he's the expert, and he gets paid the big bucks.
For those wishing Pep gone — the next guy may well not have the solution, either. Be careful what you all wish for.
 
Thanks for the advice.

But most of us want to watch attacking and exciting football, not mind numbing walking football, passing sideways and backwards for 90 minutes + injury time. Believe it or not, Pep used to get his teams to play exciting and fluid football, whilst retaining the ball and also wining the ball back that won us numerous trophies. Now it’s all about keeping the ball, passing it around aimlessly throughout the match, hoping against hope of breaking down a packed 10 men defence camped in and around the 18 yard box , and doing next to nothing with free kicks and corners.
There are plenty of instances even with our best team of us failing to break down a low block with 11 behind the ball.It takes two to make a good game and some teams are not going to cooperate, yesterday WHU were one, thats not what you would consider to historically to be their MO. They are fighting for their lives and they haven't got a manager who is capable of playing progressive football with a secure defence. He's had all week to coach them whilst we were on European duty So, well done NES he did the same at Forest when he went to club that has fans who want to be entertained he failed miserably, Spurs could do with him now though short term.

Look at the better games this season for example the 5 Newcastle games W 4 L1 Newcastle didnt low block put 11 behind the ball and tried to win them all.

What was the verdict of the commentary team yesterday? it was how well WHU played, all praise for NES yet you could get 11 fit lads who play football and coach them to do what WHU did yesterday, its was nothing special. They gave MoTM to the CH, what did he do except block? yes! he scored a goal luckily for him that it skimmed off the cross ball, probably another inch higher it would haven't gone in

Yes we critique Pep for getting some of his tactics wrong, not playing our most creative player from the start in Cherki but, he may have though that bring him on later against tiered legs was best especially considering he's fasting at the moment

For lots of games now football has become defence v attack and yesterday was a prime example of it just like Salford who learned their lesson from last season when we battered them they turned up low blocked and got a decent result for them
 
Let's be honest we've been consistently shite for over a year now
Playing brilliant football like we've done in the past was never going to last and now we're seeing the end of a great era
Let's hope that we regroup this summer ready for next season
 
So hard to read BM and decide whether the comments are from a snide rag/dipper **** or some really sad and pathetic fans, who can't deal with not winning.

After a loss or a draw these days, the vitriol added to sheer stupidity becomes toxic.

At it's best BM is a good forum imo, but with the advent of social fucking media it has been dragged down to rag/dipper fuckwit levels.
Agreed but its life in general, eg the Sunderland fans forum has turned toxic we ALL want quick fixes.
The days when a new employee, player had weeks to bed in are gone and with AI etc aint coming back.
 
It's the hope that kills you.

Arsenal haven't been much better than us but they should have had the title wrapped up long ago - they must have driven their fans mad by leaving the door open for us so many times, and even yesterday, just getting over the line right 'at the death.'

City have outperformed my expectations this season as I expected and hoped for 3rd place, but you can't legislate for what's going on at other clubs. God knows what Liverpool, Villa and Chelsea fans must be feeling. Everyone hopes for a better season next year. Few teams get that. We've had an incredible 15/16 years in that respect. It's not that long ago since we beat United at Wembley in a semi-final and then got the FA Cup against Stoke for the 1st of our trophies.

I'd class yesterday as a pretty typical City performance for this season. A rare mistake by The Don after he's looked what he is for most of the season - one of the very best goalies in the world - and there's a stupid clamour for him to be dropped. Draws from winning positions - ironically - is where our modern era started, resulting in the change from Mark Hughes to Mancini. If this season fizzles out, maybe we'll see an early handover to the next man - but, as with The Don - be careful what you wish for, as Pep has been the greatest manager with us. His feats are unlikely to ever be matched.

I have confidence in our ownership to keep us on a winning path as they need City to stay at the top table, having committed to the huge North Stand development. Maybe, after bedding-in this season, our squad will adjust and raise expectations again next season. If and when Pep leaves, they'll get the best available manager - and knowing them, they'll already have their man earmarked.

So, back to yesterday - yes a draw away at West Ham was a poor result. The goal we gave away was poor. The creativity and finishing was poor. But, we're City; at worst, we're gonna be runners-up - which always used to go on your Honours Board. It's disappointing relatively speaking but, isn't it great to be a blue?
 
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We should never have been in a title race with the quality of the players in the squad....it was obvious by Oct/Nov. We were only in it due to the fact that Arsenal kept letting us back in and arent actually that good either.

I agree on your statement about the rebuild.
Sav and Reijnders for me are our two weakest players and if it were down to me id sell them both this summer....I wouldnt even blink at the thought.

I disagree on foden....the ability is clearly there and has been since he came into the first team...not sure how he is supposed to return to form when he is not played but he played ok when he came on tonight and at elast looked to make things happen.

Same with Haaland.....keeper made a decent sae tonight for the first effort.....he definitely shold have done better witht he second. ...but class like his doesnt just disappear (no matter how much some people seem to want it to - the factis some people are so wek that when disappointment hits they look for the easiest to blame and Haaland is that)

Doku is a squad player -one I would keep however as at elast he brings something different

As for Pep - you cant polish a turd...not even Pep can do that and that is what he is dealing with right now. OUr transfer policy the last few goes has been poor....very poor. Vianna and Txixi at the end of his time have a lot to answer for here - a lot of these players dont seem to have the prerequisit technique levels to play for a team chasing PL's and CL's

Reijnders
Marmoush
Semenyo
Nunes
Sav

All mistakes at the moment - People will say Nunes has done well but not in the position he was bought for. I dont see that Peps vision and Viannas match at all

Of and while you are consoling yourself about he cups...we could hand Arsenal and league and cup double! We have given them the league...we will have to have a complete turn in form to not give tehm the league cup as well.....we cant defend against West ham at corners .....Arsenal will look at Donarumma under the high ball and be absolutely pissing themselves about the cup final..they wont be able to wait to get that first corner!
 
Yesterday actually reminded me most of the Sunderland game in January. All of the ball, loads of chances, just couldn't squeeze it in. Think it's what will stop us winning the league in the end but this team is so close to being ready again.
 
So’s Salah, but scores goals. You can’t buy a player ripping it up in one position and play him in a different position you bought him for. Semenyo looked great in his normal position first few games. The lads a goal scorer, then we start playing him out of position.
Yeah but when u have your whole frontline full of none footballing players its not going to work.

Marmoush or semenyo got to come off the bench.
 

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