West ham Vs City Post Match Thread

[supercity88]

If selecting the wrong team,and then not rectifying such as soon as it was obvious.....does not come under the banner of 'incompetence' what other word would you use?

It is clear from the way Pellegrini has managed us from the start that he gives his team time to perform. From his post match interview he thought West Ham would tire and that we would win through. In terms of his incompetence, I think he made errors, but in hindsight that's easy to say. Zabaleta was awful - so he should have brought Sagna in, though had he done that and lost he would have been criticised. Generally Clichy offers more defensively than Kolarov, which against teams with width is important. Clichy was also poor. Kompany wasn't particularly assured either. I think it was clear that he wanted to keep the majority of the team that played in Moscow to give them an opportunity to put right what they did wrong over there. The intensity West Ham showed was too much at times and we didn't press with the same intensity we usually do, largely because of the midweek exploits I would imagine. Considering we have a league cup game this week, he possibly thought the team could manage the game on Saturday and then rest players for Wednesday. Milner probably should have started. But the fact is we have put out different personnel to our "favoured" 11 time and time again and won. We've done incredibly well away from home since we couldn't buy a win at the start of last season and incompetence is a bit strong for a manager who won two trophies in his first season with us.

He made errors, the team performed poorly in defence and we lost the game. We weren't thrashed, we were in the game from start to finish but didn't get back into it. I wouldn't call that incompetence.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Never mind the result, Rolf Harris was in the crowd. Just to the right of the angle of the bar and post.

 

[FantasyIreland]

If selecting the wrong team,and then not rectifying such as soon as it was obvious.....does not come under the banner of 'incompetence' what other word would you use?

He made errors, the team performed poorly in defence and we lost the game. We weren't thrashed, we were in the game from start to finish but didn't get back into it. I wouldn't call that incompetence.

That's a good summary,and in hindsight,using the word incompetence is wrong,its far too harsh and,while I have concerns......I certainly didn't want it to sound like I have any kneejerk thoughts regarding the managers tenure.

As ever pal,you contribute well.

 

[SilverFox2]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me about the fitness levels of the modern professional footballer in the Premier League. How can it be that we should not expect players to perform more than once a week ?
Apparently the extra game for City took its toll compared with West Ham's single game.
Is their fitness level attuned to performing only once a week and the rest of the weeks training spent on technique etc. ?

The recent Tour de France was an eyeopener to me about fitness levels, seemingly each day of action lasts about 5 hours for each rider without a single break and then they must do the same thing for 6 consecutive days before they get a break.

Two different sports I know but if there is an extra level of fitness needed for those involved in Europe perhaps the players may be invited to up their fitness levels accordingly.

There again, the mentality of cyclists may be different because they train accepting that tiredness occurs and they learn how to fight their way through it whereas it does seem that footballers see tiredness as a reason to be subbed or even not play in the first place.

 

[dobobobo]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me about the fitness levels of the modern professional footballer in the Premier League. How can it be that we should not expect players to perform more than once a week ?
Apparently the extra game for City took its toll compared with West Ham's single game.
Is their fitness level attuned to performing only once a week and the rest of the weeks training spent on technique etc. ?

The recent Tour de France was an eyeopener to me about fitness levels, seemingly each day of action lasts about 5 hours for each rider without a single break and then they must do the same thing for 6 consecutive days before they get a break.

Two different sports I know but if there is an extra level of fitness needed for those involved in Europe perhaps the players may be invited to up their fitness levels accordingly.

There again, the mentality of cyclists may be different because they train accepting that tiredness occurs and they learn how to fight their way through it whereas it does seem that footballers see tiredness as a reason to be subbed or even not play in the first place.

 

[SilverFox2]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me about the fitness levels of the modern professional footballer in the Premier League. How can it be that we should not expect players to perform more than once a week ?
Apparently the extra game for City took its toll compared with West Ham's single game.
Is their fitness level attuned to performing only once a week and the rest of the weeks training spent on technique etc. ?

The recent Tour de France was an eyeopener to me about fitness levels, seemingly each day of action lasts about 5 hours for each rider without a single break and then they must do the same thing for 6 consecutive days before they get a break.

Two different sports I know but if there is an extra level of fitness needed for those involved in Europe perhaps the players may be invited to up their fitness levels accordingly.

There again, the mentality of cyclists may be different because they train accepting that tiredness occurs and they learn how to fight their way through it whereas it does seem that footballers see tiredness as a reason to be subbed or even not play in the first place.

Excellent physics lesson.

Presumably we can use the same idea to even out the effort changes of each player (depending on their proximity to the action) rather than using hills to illustrate it. ?

Then 5 hours 6 times a week rather than 2x45 mins 2 times a week.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Oh,and lets not forget the drugs.

 

[dobobobo]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me about the fitness levels of the modern professional footballer in the Premier League. How can it be that we should not expect players to perform more than once a week ?
Apparently the extra game for City took its toll compared with West Ham's single game.
Is their fitness level attuned to performing only once a week and the rest of the weeks training spent on technique etc. ?

The recent Tour de France was an eyeopener to me about fitness levels, seemingly each day of action lasts about 5 hours for each rider without a single break and then they must do the same thing for 6 consecutive days before they get a break.

Two different sports I know but if there is an extra level of fitness needed for those involved in Europe perhaps the players may be invited to up their fitness levels accordingly.

There again, the mentality of cyclists may be different because they train accepting that tiredness occurs and they learn how to fight their way through it whereas it does seem that footballers see tiredness as a reason to be subbed or even not play in the first place.

Excellent physics lesson.

Presumably we can use the same idea to even out the effort changes of each player (depending on their proximity to the action) rather than using hills to illustrate it. ?

Then 5 hours 6 times a week rather than 2x45 mins 2 times a week.

See that photo above where Kun had a shot in the 64th minute? Well it didn't go in to the net, it hit the bar.

Footballers can play for a million hours, but if the ball doesn't go into the net then you don't win the match.

Like you said yourself, how you are comparing the two sports which vastly different is beyond me.

Cyclists have a bike to aide them, and all of their energy goes into a bike. Footballers are playing directly on a surface, twisting and turning constantly, stretching for balls, getting kicked in ankles, etc.

By the way I aint having a go at cyclists, it's a hard sport, but a totally different one from football.

 

[Blue Mooner]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me about the fitness levels of the modern professional footballer in the Premier League. How can it be that we should not expect players to perform more than once a week ?
Apparently the extra game for City took its toll compared with West Ham's single game.
Is their fitness level attuned to performing only once a week and the rest of the weeks training spent on technique etc. ?

The recent Tour de France was an eyeopener to me about fitness levels, seemingly each day of action lasts about 5 hours for each rider without a single break and then they must do the same thing for 6 consecutive days before they get a break.

Two different sports I know but if there is an extra level of fitness needed for those involved in Europe perhaps the players may be invited to up their fitness levels accordingly.

There again, the mentality of cyclists may be different because they train accepting that tiredness occurs and they learn how to fight their way through it whereas it does seem that footballers see tiredness as a reason to be subbed or even not play in the first place.

Equally it's the same for every rider. The difference here is not that players can't play twice a week - they very often do - its the comparative energy levels you have vs the other team you are playing.

If you've ever been fatigued after intense exercise you lose some of the explosiveness in your legs, you can't run as quickly. I'm sure there is a scientific explanation as to what happens to your muscles but its really common sense. A team of 11 players who are fresh vs 11 players who are slightly fatigued and jetlagged - it certainly levels the playing field somewhat.

 

[u2fme2]

wrong line up from the start again !!!