What has the UK become?

Just saw a poll on YouTube by some obvious right-wing channel; Would you live next door to a migrant camp? I clicked "yes"...I must have been the only one because the results so fat are 99% "NO"! The comments underneath are the usual dumb, clueless points. It's an echo chamber.
So I asked them my own question: "Would you rather have a peaceful African family move next door or an unruly local white family?" They can't answer without twisting the question. The hatred is prebuilt into them.
 
A minimum of £14million per person sent to Rwanda, if any, plus we pay for their upkeep for 5 years and we take in an unknown number of Rwandans.

I hate conspiracy theories but I can’t understand how a deal this bad is such a priority to the Government unless there is money being made by someone connected to someone in Government behind this. It makes no sense on any level. Financially it is appalling and doesn’t scratch the surface of the issue it is supposed to be about and there is every chance that we take in more people than we send
 
I don't know if the details have been changed in the new treaty, but the last one was for 1,000 asylum seekers to be sent over there over a five year period, with an unspecified number or asylum seekers coming the other way from Rwanda.

The camp they are to be housed in has a capacity of 100 people, so I'm assuming half of them will have the determination and resolve to make their way back to Europe, which makes vacancies for the other 100 souls.

I can't remember which country it was, I think it was the Netherlands, but it had a similar policy with Rwanda a few years ago, and every single person they sent there eventually made their way back to Europe.
 
This is a government that have slashed overseas aid to developing countries. But now they want to hand millions to Rwanda for this stupid shit.

The Conservative Party: we only give overseas aid if we can do it in a bit of a racist way.
 
Eebo said:
A minimum of £14million per person sent to Rwanda, if any, plus we pay for their upkeep for 5 years and we take in an unknown number of Rwandans.

I hate conspiracy theories but I can’t understand how a deal this bad is such a priority to the Government unless there is money being made by someone connected to someone in Government behind this. It makes no sense on any level. Financially it is appalling and doesn’t scratch the surface of the issue it is supposed to be about and there is every chance that we take in more people than we send
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No one will be sent to Rwanda. It’s just a load of expensive bullshit to appease the voters.
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
I was getting my defensive posture in. Hard to talk/debate on this forum, though I should have given you more credit.

I’m not old enough to remember that much about British Rail…and wasn’t a regular user, but I remember the constant berating of it by anyone who used it or worked in it. Didn’t strike me as a great service and don’t remember too many dissenting voices disagreeing about the reasons cited as the need to privatise. I’m not saying everyone agreed with privatisation…but everyone agreed it was shit.

Hospitals will Continue to decline, unless we’re prepared as a nation to pay significantly more, and increasingly more taxes than we do. I just don’t see it as a ‘UK’ problem worthy of criticism, as the ‘problem’ is trying to sustain something that just wasn’t designed for the population we have.

I don’t think political issues are more pronounced here, than say France, Germany or Holland. They’re different in some respects, and closer to home so feel more pronounced.

Through my eyes at least, as a country we’re still great, have a lot to offer (and more to offer) in lots of respects, have improved many aspects of our quality of life, and having worked and lived in places that are supposed to be better…we moved back here in 2019 and haven’t regretted it for a single day.
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I was on a delayed train in the 90s and some guy was saying how much better things would be under privatisation. I told him it would be worse and I actually had a piece published in a trade mag saying how competition couldn't really work with one company running the infrastructure, another owning the rolling stock and leasing it to operators, massive accountancy and legal costs dividing up revenue and attributing blame when things go wrong. I didn't know about coming up with a process for track changes that takes years [ https://www.railengineer.co.uk/grip-governance-for-railway-investment-projects-process-explained/ ] or for timetable changes with different companies' competing demands - the first manifestation was train companies running local services demanding to know why their trains should wait for another company's express at a junction.

It's a crazy system really.
 
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There was a mindset, not quite extinct, that assumed anything in the private sector must be more efficient than the public sector.

This was a crock of shite from day 1. Apart from anything else, it depends on what you mean by 'efficient'.

However, we can now quote obvious examples of the failure of this spurious doctrine.

1. Railways. Disorganised, and more expensive, both to passenger and state.
2. Buses. So shite that even the Tories are allowing regulation again to minimise the fuck up.
3. Royal Mail. Shit service and vastly more expensive stamps.
4. Water. More expensive. Pours more shit than ever into rivers. Has failed to invest in infrastructure in favour of paying dividends.
 
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