What Is lacking?

city warrior said:
Mentality and offensive quality.

The mentality of players like Bernardo, Stones, Sterling, Mahrez even Gundogan is just not that strong. They are not weak, but you just don't feel they thrive under pressure and that they will be the best player on the pitch on the BIG games. Players like KDB, Dias, Foden, even Ederson, Zinchenko or Walker tend to play really well on big matches.

The main thing is quality, specially for an offensive team like ours. We have a lot of depth and great squad players, but other than KDB which player is without a doubt a top 15 player in the world? Foden and Dias can get there if they keep this season's level. We have a bunch of top 15-50 players, but against elite competition we should have 1 or 2 more offensive top 5-20 players ( Haaland, Kane, Coman, Gnabry, Kante, Salah, Sancho, Verrati, Kimmich).

If we want to win PL(which is great) what we have is enough.Good quality and a ton of depth. But against the elite in cups competition, you need stars.
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Their mentality had been fine up to this point, though.
 
Pam said:
How many more games did we play compared to Chelsea, though? Can't have been that many, surely.
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No idea, the way we play though means when we get to the business end of the season we look knackered.
Other teams do too, but a fresher City could make all the difference in the champions league and give us that thing we are currently missing to get of that final hurdle.
 
Tonight it was a manager lacking confidence in his usual 11 for the CL despite us beating Dortmund and PSG with a similar lineup.

Last night might have worked in a league game. Less pressure. High press, midfield overload, no ability for Kante to cover all of the players and no way for Chelsea to turn and pass in behind.

But with nerves and the stage it was attempted it was bound to fail. And we have just seen Chelsea struggle over the line in the league so really should have stuck not twisted when we were favourites.

Manager overthinking things again. Simple as that. We also don't have anywhere near enough movement in behind or desire to play balls into space.
 
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Its is slow progress but we are improving each year we play in the Champions League. Nothing stopping us going one step further in the next season. The only thing lacking is that extra cutting edge
 
Cityzen_89 said:
Players? Mentality? Leadership? Quality In Key Areas? All Of The Above?

Basically, can this be sorted with new players or does this go deeper and is it more of a mentality issue? If so, how do we move forward and sort this?
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FFS Play your best team !! it ain’t rocket science Guardiola! We don’t need to spend money to be kings of Europe.
 
bballchinaski said:
A team can always get better, no matter how good they are. The most obvious way, is getting a striker, of course, Haaland if possible, if not..Kane will do just fine.

Then, i think that a defensive midfielder is also necessary, Rodri is not good enough and Fernandinho is old. Rodri would be great ten years ago but the game has moved on and a more physical and faster player is needed there, i think.

Those are the two main ones. A winger and a left back would be nice too but you cant have it all in a summer
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Agreed. Leicester got the guy I wanted from Lille, Soumare. He will be class..
 
citymad said:
I’m pretty angry with Guardiola right now but that’s pathetic. He badly lacks the big game mentality but he’s second to none over a long season.
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But that’s kinda the point of the thread I think.

Anyone with half a brain cell saw the starting lineup - especially with a certain forward player - and said “what the actual fuck Pep?”
 
CmonCity92 said:
Agreed. Leicester got the guy I wanted from Lille, Soumare. He will be class..
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If they’ve just signed a DM, I’d throw £60mil at Ndidi. A world class DM who can do the job of 2 (like Fernandinho 17-19) makes the team so much more effective both defensively and offensively. Kante was outstanding tonight, and Ndidi could have 10 years of that. Rodri’s been decent this season, but I don’t see him becoming world class.
 
We definitely need 2 decent strikers.

Last night was all on Pep though.Pisses me off he wont admit he seriously fucked up.When every City fan in the World and every Sports pundit in MSM think he got it wrong.

Comes across deludedly arrogant.

Worries me how he is supposed to learn from mistakes in Europe next season when he thinks he never makes them to begin with.

You would think 4 champions League final defeats on the bounce would suggest otherwise to Pep..

We might have to wait until Pep is gone before winning the Champions League.

Weird how Pep short comings with us were mirrored exactly the same at Bayern.

Bayern dominated domestically during his leadership in Germany.

Yet in Europe they went out every season in the Champions League at the latter stages,losing 3 Champions League finals through naivety,and excessive tinkering.

That is why they were not that unhappy to see him go.They craved Champions League success.
 
I'm Blue said:
No idea, the way we play though means when we get to the business end of the season we look knackered.
Other teams do too, but a fresher City could make all the difference in the champions league and give us that thing we are currently missing to get of that final hurdle.
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I’m not sure how fresher we could have been. It wasn’t nothing to do with fitness and all to do with tactics and team selection. The players looked confused. The difference is Tuchel knows what his best team and has a plan. Guardiola has no clue what his best team is and flys by the seat of his pants with a false 9.
 
A manager that doesn't tinker with the 11 that we all knew could win us the game. There was nothing wrong with the tools. Play the 11 that we did in the second leg against PSG with a proper defensive midfielder and we would have probably won tonight and have had three trophies in the bag. In short, what is lacking is a manager who doesn't overthink things. Only one thing cost us tonight. Pep fucking Guardiola.
 
city warrior said:
If we want to win PL(which is great) what we have is enough.Good quality and a ton of depth. But against the elite in cups competition, you need stars.
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Chelsea don't have any stars. Kante, arguably, but he's a tough tackling midfielder, not a world class creative player or goalscorer. Let's be honest, it's actually pretty rare for the Champions League winner to also win their domestic league (unless it's a one-team league). The difference with a cup competition is if you come up against one team that happens to play a style that exploits your weaknesses, you're out of the competition. And that's happened a few times, often combined with Pep recognising this and then trying some mad tactic to contain them, rather than imposing our regular game on them.
 
swblue64 said:
Dont over complicate in big games. The quad was on this season but for some bizzaaaaar reason we played the second string v Chelsea in the FA Cup semi and tossed it off. Then tonight the only question we all wanted to know was Dhino or Rodri, and we end up playing neither and our most out of form player Sterling is in the team. ????!!!!!!?...
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Enough said. It hurts my head to find a logic for this stupid line up and it will be for long while
 
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