What UEFA Coach attack Investigation?

[BuryBlue1977]

I strongly disagree with that. The Roma coach wasn't attacked. I actually think it's a bit of a push to claim the city coach was attacked by the way. It had a few cans thrown at it which isnt a big deal and a couple of bottles by a handful of idiots which is clearly unacceptable but not the widespread attack everyone seems to paint it as.

The welcoming of the coaches happened 90 mins before kick off as the teams arrived. The Roma fans attacked behind the kop about 30 mins before kick off and it was over in moments. There was a heavy police presence there in seconds. They weren't marauding the streets for an hour.

Sitting on top of a police van to get a good view...lock them up!

And to suggest that it's the fault of Liverpool fans and Merseyside police for a lad almost dying and being put into a coma following an attack by Roma ultras clearly intent on violence is bizarre.

Football is tribal and we all have our biases but you're in danger of sounding hysterical. Too much faux outrage loses credibility

“I actually think it is a bit of a push to CLAIM the city coach was attacked”

Are you on spice? I would put together a more reasoned and cohesive argument but you are obviously thick as fuck or a WUM. So I put it to you that your cock looks like a budgies toe.

 

[Cogsy]

Haha that actually made me laugh.

Genuinely not here to wind anyone up or be a pain in the arse. I read the forum occasionally and decided I'd like to contribute to the discussion. I thought I might be able to bring a bit of perspective or a different view as I thought a lot of the comments were a bit flippant and dramatic, that's all

 

[Cogsy]

“I actually think it is a bit of a push to CLAIM the city coach was attacked”

Are you on spice? I would put together a more reasoned and cohesive argument but you are obviously thick as fuck or a WUM. So I put it to you that your cock looks like a budgies toe.

Ok, I see how that comes across. Maybe not the best choice of words. However, I dont think that drinks cans being thrown amounts to a proper attack if you know what I mean? We aren't talking bricks and fans trying to get at the players or anything.

The few bottles were dangerous and crossed the line though and the people who threw them should be punished

 

[BuryBlue1977]

Haha that actually made me laugh.

Genuinely not here to wind anyone up or be a pain in the arse. I read the forum occasionally and decided I'd like to contribute to the discussion. I thought I might be able to bring a bit of perspective or a different view as I thought a lot of the comments were a bit flippant and dramatic, that's all

For what it’s worth I’m not really that arsed about your scallies attacking our coach and I really don’t think it effected the result at all. But to say you think it wasn’t an attack or was by only a few is far fetched in the extreme. It adds to the perception that scousers will admit to nothing, it’s never their fault. Had you stuck to, yes a large number of our fans behaved disgracefully but we’re not all like that, I would of had more respect for you.
By the way I welcome the view of opposing fans on this forum and have never insulted any of them before. However the budgies toe comment still stands.

 

[cleavers]

Genuinely not here to wind anyone up or be a pain in the arse.

You're not doing a great job then.

The few bottles were dangerous and crossed the line though and the people who threw them should be punished

What about the flare on fire on the roof, that's OK I guess ?

 

[citymad]

Haha that actually made me laugh.

Genuinely not here to wind anyone up or be a pain in the arse. I read the forum occasionally and decided I'd like to contribute to the discussion. I thought I might be able to bring a bit of perspective or a different view as I thought a lot of the comments were a bit flippant and dramatic, that's all

Lets face it you're not exactly new to violence in Europe but you set a precedent by attacking our team bus so don't expect anything but hatred from us towards your horrible and deluded fans.

 

[ancoats]

Haha that actually made me laugh.

Genuinely not here to wind anyone up or be a pain in the arse. I read the forum occasionally and decided I'd like to contribute to the discussion. I thought I might be able to bring a bit of perspective or a different view as I thought a lot of the comments were a bit flippant and dramatic, that's all

its never liverpool's fault and its not the first time is it and its always somebody else to blame, shocking the manchester city coach attack and not just cans and bottles but flares bricks stones anything to hand, and it was like watching a 1980s football hooligan film about the scum of liverpool, animals the lot of them and what is more shocking is liverpool football club back the idea and the police helped in anyway they could

watch the amazon program to see pep getting of the coach and saying to the police thanks guys for your help, uefa did nothing and the police did nothing and worst liverpool fc did everything to fuel the fire, and they have the cheek to lined up and shake the city players hands, i think the 2 games coming up vs liverpool this season will be electric and we will have something up our sleeves and the respect will be given then its a war

 

[worsleyweb]

I went to Southport for a day over summer. Never seen as many tattoos, under armour clothing, Liverpool tops and rough people in one spot.

My conclusion- majority of scousers are not that pleasant.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

I went to Southport for a day over summer. Never seen as many tattoos, under armour clothing, Liverpool tops and rough people in one spot.

My conclusion- majority of scousers are not that pleasant.

I'm over there nearly every day, with work. My ears are bleeding by the time i get home.

 

[jrb]

I didn't say that you said the attack was Liverpool fans fault, I was just referring to what had been suggested elsewhere - that the coach welcome meant police couldn't deal with the Roma hooligans and so Liverpool fans and police were responsible for it.

Of course Merseyside police fucked up with the Roma fans. They should have spotted that firm. They spotted almost all others and escorted them to the ground fine though. They had a tight grip of loads of them all day before the game. They usually manage things Ok, this one went wrong, they lost a mob that were trying to go under the radar and they should accept criticism for it. But, it can happen and the attack on the lad is nobody's fault but the lads that are up in court for it.

As for not accepting responsibility, I've acknowledged that the dickheads throwing bottles should be punished. I've said it's unacceptable and dangerous.

I don't know why anyone hasn't been arrested for it. It might have something to do with the fact that police don't know who threw a bottle? I've seen videos and I don't know. Do you? Show me the face of a bottle thrower if you can? I imagine they are hard to spot in the crowds.

I'm not saying Liverpool fans can do no wrong. I'm just trying to bring a bit of perspective.

And thanks but I'd rather be found dead in a ditch than go on rawk

Here we go again.

The Police couldn’t deal with Roma fans because of the coach attack, sorry, welcome. Tell us what the welcome was for the City players and the coach? You seem to be mixing up a welcome for the Liverpool players and an attack on the City players. I stand corrected on this, but didn’t the Seville coach get attacked in an earlier round, or was it another team?

So Merseyside Police couldn’t muster enough officers to Police another coach welcome, and at the same time Police a few 1000 Roma fans. F*** off! More excuses. If Merseyside Police couldn’t do that, they must have a staffing crisis. But 10 Police vans arrived out of the blue to corner the 50 Roma fans after they attacked Liverpool fans, according to you. Right place, right time, ah.

Where else in the UK are football fans allowed to light flares, stand on Police vechicles, throw bottles, cans, flares, missiles, use foul language, etc, and get away with it, with the Police amongst the crowd, while not do anything? No where. It seems Liverpool fans are a law to themselves in Liverpool and outside Anfield. It’s obvious they can do what they want with little fear of arrest or being banned by the club. Let me put it another way. FSG, LFC and Merseyside Police are all shit scared of upsetting Liverpool fans. Who isn’t? Dare anyone say anything bad about Liverpool and their fans. That much was evident when FSG tried to raise season ticket and matchday ticket prices and 1000’s of Liverpool fans walked out of the ground protesting. God forbid if FSG, LCC and Merseyside Police put a stop to the coach welcoming/attacks. Here’s a thought. What’s going to happen if Liverpool draw United in this season’s CL? Please tell me what kind of reception the United coach will get. *Let’s see you bullshit your way out of that question*.

Have you ever seen Police officers with video cameras at matches? Have you ever seen Police surveillance vans at matches? If so, what were they doing that night? Let’s not bullshit. Merseyside Police have got footage of the attack. The have video equipment that can pin-point people and faces. Not 1 person has be arrested. Never mind 5, 10, or 15 People. Not 1 person. The Police would and should of had spotters everywhere. They did. Again, why where Police vechiles used as vantage points for fans to stand on and throw missiles from. Just think about it for a minute. Police vechicles with Liverpool fans all over them. If one person tried that in Manchester they would be dragged into the Police van and taken to the nearest Police Station. But not in Liverpool. Not that they needed telling, but City warned Merseyside Police that they were being forced into a trap. Merseyside Police and LFC gave the change of route details out earlier that day, so every Liverpool fan knew where to wait for both coaches. City were setup. LFC and Merseyside Police put the coach welcome and Liverpool fans first before the safety of the City players and staff.

It’s fair to say this coach welcoming will happen again this season in the CL. And once again there is a chance Liverpool will draw another English club. So what’s going to happen? Will City and other teams be forced to run the gauntlet again, or are FSG, LFC, LCC and Merseyside Police going to do the right thing and announce the coach welcomings are being stopped before something more serious happens?(not a f***ing chance) I’ll tell you one thing. City will not allow the same scenario to played out again this season if we draw Liverpool in the CL. Not a f***ing chance! It will be up to Liverpool and Merseyside Police to guarantee the safety of the City players and staff.

 

[deano ou812]

I went to Southport for a day over summer. Never seen as many tattoos, under armour clothing, Liverpool tops and rough people in one spot.

My conclusion- majority of scousers are not that pleasant.

Not all but a good number,remind me of a cross between the films deliverance and the hills have eyes ...

 

[Manchester1894]

I predict we visit Anfield. Get pelted even more. Police make arrests and City drive away refusing to play there. Game is moved to a neutral venue.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

I went to Southport for a day over summer. Never seen as many tattoos, under armour clothing, Liverpool tops and rough people in one spot.

My conclusion- majority of scousers are not that pleasant.

Lol...i live in Southport now and work in liverpool. I must have sinned in a previous life. But i wear my City shirt at every opportunity. I bumped into leighton baines in costa at Formby few years back whilst wearing my City shirt. You should have seen the look on his face, he looked like he’d seen a ghost

To be honest you would find it very hard to find a liverpool shirt a few years back, but since last season they have come out the woodwork. However Southport gets a hell of alot of scousers coming in over the weekends via the train hence why you see most at the weekends and hardly any through the working week.

There is a great contingent of City fans in Southport as well. There is a supports club that goes the matches and the Park pub in birkdale was heaving with us blues the day we stuffed them 6-1...wonderful memories

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

This. Every day.

A few cans? You've got to be a red dipper.
There are around 160 impacts from glasses, bottles and cans that can be heard at the front of the bus alone in the support staffer's video (lets ignore the ones that hit the back of the bus that wont be pucked up in the audio). Multiple flares thrown under the bus as well. The bus was too badly damaged to drive back to Manchester as well.
The only reason the Roma team bus wasn't attacked is the published bus route wasn't taken.
So please just fuck off with your ignorance.


Not one arrest either. Strange that.

Even with my limited IT know-how, I think I could track some of those down.

But then again, I'm not a serve and protect employee

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

As expected. Never your fault is it?
Still thinks its only a few cans and a few morons who threw them.
I won't even start on the attacks on City fan coaches after the City fans scrupulously observed the Hillsborough anniversary before the game.
Liverpool really do have the highest number of twats amongst their nunber in English football.

Surely there must be more from the 659m?
Just on numbers alone ;-)

 

[Pigeonho]

Fuckin he'll, can you write a few positive sentences at some point in your life. ?

Plenty.

 

[Chris in London]

I strongly disagree with that. The Roma coach wasn't attacked. I actually think it's a bit of a push to claim the city coach was attacked by the way. It had a few cans thrown at it which isnt a big deal and a couple of bottles by a handful of idiots which is clearly unacceptable but not the widespread attack everyone seems to paint it as.

The welcoming of the coaches happened 90 mins before kick off as the teams arrived. The Roma fans attacked behind the kop about 30 mins before kick off and it was over in moments. There was a heavy police presence there in seconds. They weren't marauding the streets for an hour.

Sitting on top of a police van to get a good view...lock them up!

And to suggest that it's the fault of Liverpool fans and Merseyside police for a lad almost dying and being put into a coma following an attack by Roma ultras clearly intent on violence is bizarre.

Football is tribal and we all have our biases but you're in danger of sounding hysterical. Too much faux outrage loses credibility

Oh for fucks sake, here it is again. It wasn’t Liverpool fans, it was “a handful of idiots”.

Tell me.

Was it the same “handful of idiots” that bricked a City coach after the Hillsborough 25th anniversary game?
Was it the same “handful of idiots” that started on City fans at Lime Street after the same game?
Was it the same “handful of idiots” that caused the deaths of 39 Juventus fans in 1985?
Was it the same “handful of idiots” that dropped a concrete slab on a waiter’s head in Bulgaria?
Was it the same “handful of idiots” that made death threats against Steven Gerrard’s family when he considered moving to Chelsea?
Was it the same “handful of idiots” that cheered as Yaya Toure went off injured at Anfield?
Was it the same “handful of idiots” that booed Ederson as he received oxygen treatment and on-field treatment after a serious kick to the head?

I could go on. The thing is, there is a sizeable element of Liverpool’s support for whom ‘feral scum’ is a pretty accurate description. Maybe thats not all Liverpool fans and maybe it isn’t even a majority. But what do either the club, Merseyside police or the wider fan base do about the scum element of their support? They do absolutely fuck all, that’s what. Take you for an example. You come on here spouting your shit about it being a few cans and a couple of bottles. Towing the party line, in fact. Actually, over 100 objects struck the city coach in about a 4 minute period. So you are either lying through your shithouse teeth, because you have seen the footage in full and you know it was a hell of a lot more than a few cans and a couple of bottles, or you don’t know personally and are repeating like a fucking mindless sheep the propaganda that your vile fucking club and your scum fan base have been peddling since April. So you are either a liar or a fool.

Also, what have you done personally to try to control the scum element of your fan base - you know, that “handful of idiots”? Have you for instance gone on RAWK denouncing them and asking all right thinking Liverpool fans to do likewise? Have you called in to Radio City to complain about this “handful of idiots” that regularly gives Liverpool a bad name? Have you written to the Echo to make these points?

No of course you haven’t. Because you’re a shithouse. And Liverpool football club has done nothing - literally not lifted a finger - to address these issues either, because it is a vile dishonest excuse of a club. Even Chelsea have done a lot to eradicate the knuckle dragging racist elements of their support. LFC have done fuck all, and they never will do.

This miserable lie that you peddle that the sub human scum that make up your support is just a handful of idiots, not a deep and ugly stain on the entire fan base, the club and the City, is why people say ‘it’s never your fault’. It isn’t Liverpool fans that smashed the pub after an away game, just a handful of idiots. It isn’t Liverpool fans that fought and looted their way round Europe in the 80s and 90s, just a handful of idiots. So it isn’t really your fault. Well, nothing ever is. And the next time Liverpool fans act like shithouses, as they so often do, it will just be a handful of idiots. Again.

So fuck off back to RAWK with your shit. I for one have heard it all before.

 

[cheekybids]

They could have started with the ones on top of the police vehicles, I'd imagine they would have been a pretty easy catch?

Or the bloke who organised the event.

I remember reading about someone getting 4 years for trying to organise a riot on Facebook that no one turned up to & no damage was caused.

 

[jrb]

Think.

Can you image the outcry in Liverpool if City fans had attacked the Liverpool coach instead.

There would have been a public outcry in Liverpool. The Echo, Liverpool fan groups, we know all about them, LFC, ex-players, the lot.

And can you imagine the reception the City players and fans would have got in tbe return leg. It would have been bedlum.

Time and again when Liverpool play in Europe there is always trouble and incidents.
The Europa Cup final with Seville fans in Basel. The Seville Police in Seville(I went and didn't experience any problems with the Police) Istanbul, Athens, etc.

Yet when Liverpool fans went to Rome they were pleading and begging for Police protection.

Sadly there is a mentality amongst Liverpool fans that they can do what they want without fear of any repercussion. All you have to do is read some of the nonse they put on their banners. Their arrogrance is breathtaking.

 

[Pigeonho]

Or the bloke who organised the event.

I remember reading about someone getting 4 years for trying to organise a riot on Facebook that no one turned up to & no damage was caused.

That was Northwich. I often refer to that sentence when nonce gets next to fuck all. It was two lads acting hard on Twitter. Nothing more.

As for the ones on the van. There would have been an actual riot if they’d been arrested.