Whelan, Fayed and the others ruining football

[jim624]

possibly the mostpathetic thing i have ever read! most the city fans i know are really sound, know their history and that. maybe you are new to football but you give man city a bad name and are an embarrassment. What gives you the right to say who belongs in te premiership, teams like stoke and wolves were well respected, long standing teams in the top tier up until the 80s, stoke have had stanley matthews, gordon banks, geoff hurst, jimmy greenhoff,dennis violet, alan hudson all play for them, wolves are a big club imo and both have a good following. Im sure any knowing man cityfan would know this. Blackburn have probs won more than city, not saying they are a bigger club than you, i dont think they are, but they have long been in the top flight. I remember when pearce was manager, city were one of the most boring teams in the premier league. Now, iv always like man city, used to love maine road, good fans etc, id hate for you to turn into your typical man utd fans, arsenal, chelsea, liverpool, smug pricks. And dont forget, everyone in this league is here through merit, even if they have had alot of backing. It will be just the same if you won the champions league with all your money, would you moan then?

 

[Fame Monster]

The teams at the top who have all the money are more responsible for the situation than the teams struggling to survive.

Absolutely spot on. The rot set in when the big teams voted in favour of keeping their gate receipts rather than sharing them with the opposition. They then held UEFA to ransom to force through the formation of the Champions League. These two decisions alone mean that you'll never have another Derby County or Ipswich winning the title. Nor will you ever see a newly-promoted team win the title in their first season back in the top flight, followed by back-to-back European Cups, like Forest did in the late 70's - early 80's. To blame smaller clubs for doing what they can to survive against those odds
demonstrates a complete ignorance of the facts.

Amen brova.

To be honest, I am ashamed of the air of arrogance that is encompassing a lot of our fans at the moment.

Take no notice.

 

[oakiecokie]

And Whelan has such an inflated ego that he named HIS stadium after HIMSELF !!!
What a tosser !!

 

[mcfc83]

The teams at the top who have all the money are more responsible for the situation than the teams struggling to survive.

Absolutely spot on. The rot set in when the big teams voted in favour of keeping their gate receipts rather than sharing them with the opposition. They then held UEFA to ransom to force through the formation of the Champions League. These two decisions alone mean that you'll never have another Derby County or Ipswich winning the title. Nor will you ever see a newly-promoted team win the title in their first season back in the top flight, followed by back-to-back European Cups, like Forest did in the late 70's - early 80's. To blame smaller clubs for doing what they can to survive against those odds demonstrates a complete ignorance of the facts.

yes, couldn't have put put better myself, the comments were at least a bit ignorant and at worst, arrogant - I would hate to think our heads will disappear up our own arses just because we have a bit of money now, I would hope our recent history would give us a bit of humility.
We should know more than anyone that a large fan-base doesn't guarantee anything. These teams are up here on merit.

You are approaching the problem form the wrong angle, it is the money at the top of the league that is wrong, not the lack of it at the bottom.

And to accuse a team like Stoke of not trying is ridiculous!

 

[Anonymous]

Mancini, Wenger and the others ruining football

We all know that Stoke get an unfair amount of stick for trying to play the game the right way and in the spirit that it's intended, when really they should be playing tippy-tappy, stamping on the opposition's testes and diving all over the pitch. Always have, really.

At the moment, of course, Stoke are ruining football. Coming into the Premier League, showing up incompetent managers like Roberto Mancini. How dare they present teams with something out of the usual tedious tippy-tappy mould by playing a real, hard-but-fair game on a slightly smaller pitch.

After last night I wondered what hypocrite Arsene Wenger would think about this plan.

There are now so many teams in the First Division (as it is, really) that decide that their team should not have to suffer the indignity of being tackled and who have decided that the game should no longer be a contact sport.

We've already seen Walcott attack a Burnley play for a perfectly executed sliding tackle, Wenger attack Craig Gardner for winning the ball and Vieira dive on the floor and stamp on Glenn Whelan's testes for tackling him.

Surely we want more than this in the 'best league in the world'?

The attitude of some of these clubs it pitiable, whether they play home or away, and goes against the founding principles of the working man's ballet.

So perhaps the likes of Parry Gook (or whatever his name is) at Man City should be a bit more embarrassed about the conduct of his players and manager. Perhaps even replace them with proper football teams with a real history like Stoke, like Preston, West Brom, Derby and Notts County. In other words, the 12 founder members of the football league.

I for one will be glad to see the backs of the likes of Manchester City, Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool as they're just killing the game, aren't they?

It's not about cheating, diving and corrupting referees. It's about going out there, playing the game physically but fairly like Stoke, throwing your body on the line and fighting for the team in every single match, entertaining the supporters by creating chances instead of boring the life out of everyone by playing halfway line tippy tappy.

It's about at least going out there with the right attitude.

The spirit in which you play the game isn't measured by your tactics or your success, but how you conduct yourself.

Maybe you should remember this.

Look-dress it up how you like but Stoke are a carbuncle on football at the top level-but have a great team spirit and backing that has kept them up for nearly two seasons.
Good luck to you/them.
Kid yourself all you want though-ultimately it won't be enough.

Seriously-We've been in far worse position than Stoke have ever been.
Playing both "tippy tappy" and "physically."
For 20-odd years we've put up with a level of shite that Stoke can only dream of.
We're the masters of having our noses rubbed in it.We've had to put up with three decades of gloating and mocking by the "biggest club in the world," not to mention lambasted at every opportunity by the entire rag-obsessed media who've always loved a good "City fucked up" story.

We've seen the lot.

And we've conducted ourselves with gallows humour.We've had no choice.

Stoke have had to "live in the shadow of" err... ....Port Vale.


So enjoy your time while it lasts,as we'll enjoy ours.
We've been shit before,we'll probably be shit again.

But to suggest that we've not got any history(yawn),are somehow corrupting referees and are "ruining football" is just bitter bollocks.

If there is some kind of "Karma"in what's happened to us in the last 18 months then trust me-we've earned it,mate.

 

[mcfc_die_hard]

whelan and fayed are twats of the highest order

 

[Dave S]

Mancini, Wenger and the others ruining football

We all know that Stoke get an unfair amount of stick for trying to play the game the right way and in the spirit that it's intended, when really they should be playing tippy-tappy, stamping on the opposition's testes and diving all over the pitch. Always have, really.

At the moment, of course, Stoke are ruining football. Coming into the Premier League, showing up incompetent managers like Roberto Mancini. How dare they present teams with something out of the usual tedious tippy-tappy mould by playing a real, hard-but-fair game on a slightly smaller pitch.

After last night I wondered what hypocrite Arsene Wenger would think about this plan.

There are now so many teams in the First Division (as it is, really) that decide that their team should not have to suffer the indignity of being tackled and who have decided that the game should no longer be a contact sport.

We've already seen Walcott attack a Burnley play for a perfectly executed sliding tackle, Wenger attack Craig Gardner for winning the ball and Vieira dive on the floor and stamp on Glenn Whelan's testes for tackling him.

Surely we want more than this in the 'best league in the world'?

The attitude of some of these clubs it pitiable, whether they play home or away, and goes against the founding principles of the working man's ballet.

So perhaps the likes of Parry Gook (or whatever his name is) at Man City should be a bit more embarrassed about the conduct of his players and manager. Perhaps even replace them with proper football teams with a real history like Stoke, like Preston, West Brom, Derby and Notts County. In other words, the 12 founder members of the football league.

I for one will be glad to see the backs of the likes of Manchester City, Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool as they're just killing the game, aren't they?

It's not about cheating, diving and corrupting referees. It's about going out there, playing the game physically but fairly like Stoke, throwing your body on the line and fighting for the team in every single match, entertaining the supporters by creating chances instead of boring the life out of everyone by playing halfway line tippy tappy.

It's about at least going out there with the right attitude.

The spirit in which you play the game isn't measured by your tactics or your success, but how you conduct yourself.

Maybe you should remember this.

Look-dress it up how you like but Stoke are a carbuncle on football at the top level-but have a great team spirit and backing that has kept them up for nearly two seasons.
Good luck to you/them.
Kid yourself all you want though-ultimately it won't be enough.

Seriously-We've been in far worse position than Stoke have ever been.
Playing both "tippy tappy" and "physically."
For 20-odd years we've put up with a level of shite that Stoke can only dream of.
We're the masters of having our noses rubbed in it.We've had to put up with three decades of gloating and mocking by the "biggest club in the world," not to mention lambasted at every opportunity by the entire rag-obsessed media who've always loved a good "City fucked up" story.

We've seen the lot.

And we've conducted ourselves with gallows humour.We've had no choice.

Stoke have had to "live in the shadow of" err... ....Port Vale.


So enjoy your time while it lasts,as we'll enjoy ours.
We've been shit before,we'll probably be shit again.

But to suggest that we've not got any history(yawn),are somehow corrupting referees and are "ruining football" is just bitter bollocks.

If there is some kind of "Karma"in what's happened to us in the last 18 months then trust me-we've earned it,mate.

Good post, well said.

 

[tevezblue]

We all know that City get an unfair amount of stick, always have really.

At the moment we are of course,ruining football. Its simply because we are a big club, with good attendances and have an owner with serious funding to play with that people dont like us.

After last night though I was wondering what the Wigan whinger would think of this idea. (Nice alliteration as well I thought ;-))

The Premiership is now devalued as both a sporting contest and a spectator attraction because too many small clubs, backed by wealthy owners have introduced a survive at all costs mentality.

There are now so many clubs out of their depth in the EPL that possibly as many as 25% of games are more or less decided before they begin.

Wolves starting 11 against Man U, Wigan time wasting in the first 5 minutes and throughout the game last night, Stoke doing little more than trying to get throw-ins, Bolton having specnt years bullying teams with better footballers.

Surely we want more from the 'best league in the world'?

The support of some of these clubs, both home and away is feeble and again goes against expectations of the best league in the world.

So perhaps people like Moz Jacksey (or whoever) at Wolves should be a bit more embarrassed about the aim of 'surviving' in the premiership. Perhaps even allow a team like Leeds or one of the Sheffield clubs to take their place in the top division bringing with them the passion and support to give it a go?

I for one will be pleased to see the backs of Stoke, Hull, Wolves,Wigan, Bolton and Blackburn as they arent really trying are they?

Its not about money though.Its about going down fighting, and belief, and expectation but most of all its about every game meaning something and not simply chalking off half a dozen fixtures as un-winnable.

Its about at least trying your best.

Success isnt measured in surviving another season in order to bring in revenue its about proving that no matter how big the crowd, how wealthy the opposition or how crappy the weather the team have done their level best to win.

Success can be as intangible as how people remember your endeavours.

I honestly don't know where to start with the above.

Success is measured by survival for a lot of teams in the Prem league. Football is all about money. If you come up, you need several years on the back of Prem TV money before establishing yourself in the league. So survival is everything.

What a poorly thought out post.

 

[MysticalDescent]

Mancini, Wenger and the others ruining football

We all know that Stoke get an unfair amount of stick for trying to play the game the right way and in the spirit that it's intended, when really they should be playing tippy-tappy, stamping on the opposition's testes and diving all over the pitch. Always have, really.

At the moment, of course, Stoke are ruining football. Coming into the Premier League, showing up incompetent managers like Roberto Mancini. How dare they present teams with something out of the usual tedious tippy-tappy mould by playing a real, hard-but-fair game on a slightly smaller pitch.

After last night I wondered what hypocrite Arsene Wenger would think about this plan.

There are now so many teams in the First Division (as it is, really) that decide that their team should not have to suffer the indignity of being tackled and who have decided that the game should no longer be a contact sport.

We've already seen Walcott attack a Burnley play for a perfectly executed sliding tackle, Wenger attack Craig Gardner for winning the ball and Vieira dive on the floor and stamp on Glenn Whelan's testes for tackling him.

Surely we want more than this in the 'best league in the world'?

The attitude of some of these clubs it pitiable, whether they play home or away, and goes against the founding principles of the working man's ballet.

So perhaps the likes of Parry Gook (or whatever his name is) at Man City should be a bit more embarrassed about the conduct of his players and manager. Perhaps even replace them with proper football teams with a real history like Stoke, like Preston, West Brom, Derby and Notts County. In other words, the 12 founder members of the football league.

I for one will be glad to see the backs of the likes of Manchester City, Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool as they're just killing the game, aren't they?

It's not about cheating, diving and corrupting referees. It's about going out there, playing the game physically but fairly like Stoke, throwing your body on the line and fighting for the team in every single match, entertaining the supporters by creating chances instead of boring the life out of everyone by playing halfway line tippy tappy.

It's about at least going out there with the right attitude.

The spirit in which you play the game isn't measured by your tactics or your success, but how you conduct yourself.

Maybe you should remember this.

Look-dress it up how you like but Stoke are a carbuncle on football at the top level-but have a great team spirit and backing that has kept them up for nearly two seasons.
Good luck to you/them.
Kid yourself all you want though-ultimately it won't be enough.

Seriously-We've been in far worse position than Stoke have ever been.
Playing both "tippy tappy" and "physically."
For 20-odd years we've put up with a level of shite that Stoke can only dream of.
We're the masters of having our noses rubbed in it.We've had to put up with three decades of gloating and mocking by the "biggest club in the world," not to mention lambasted at every opportunity by the entire rag-obsessed media who've always loved a good "City fucked up" story.

We've seen the lot.

And we've conducted ourselves with gallows humour.We've had no choice.

Stoke have had to "live in the shadow of" err... ....Port Vale.


So enjoy your time while it lasts,as we'll enjoy ours.
We've been shit before,we'll probably be shit again.

But to suggest that we've not got any history(yawn),are somehow corrupting referees and are "ruining football" is just bitter bollocks.

If there is some kind of "Karma"in what's happened to us in the last 18 months then trust me-we've earned it,mate.

Don't get me wrong here, it was more a parody of the original post rather than a scathing criticism of your club. I would argue that we could push you pretty close in the 'shite' stakes though. At least when you went through the divisions you came straight back up and you've seen a lot more Premiership football in the last 20 years than us. When we went down following the holocaust season (a record lowest points total in the first season of 3 points for a win, it stood on points per game until Sunderland went down a few years back) that was it for us for 23 years. Alan Ball took us to all new depths. The highlights mostly involved Lou Macari winning the autoglass trophy and getting us promoted, leaving for Celtic, coming back, getting us into the top six and then leaving. Our first season at the Brit was when we got relegated (along with you) in a truly shambolic season, matched for comedy only by the Boskamp season a few years back, where we sacked Tony Pulis for not buying foreign players (read: complaining about not being able to buy the players he wanted so being given two Icelandic players by the board who he never played) a couple of weeks after he signed a new contract and appointed Johan Boskamp. Boskamp, in turn, fell out with the backroom staff in an attempt to get a pay-off, claiming that they were passing notes around during a match. There were an awful lot of 3-0 home defeats that year.

 

[fbloke]

Perhaps I could have worded my OP better and perhaps I ahve touched on a raw nerve but I still beleive that what I said (not what some of the replies seemingly imagined I said) is a core value for me, and I suspect many more fans.

I am fully aware of what teams have done in the past and the successes and indeed the great players who have donned the jerseys of teams like Wolves and Stoke.

I never once suggested any of the teams were little teams or had no history, I never would as thats not the point of my post.

So for those who have criticised what I said without either reading or at least understanding the post please feel free to at least respond to what I said.

Here is a quote - Wolves starting 11 against Man U, Wigan time wasting in the first 5 minutes and throughout the game last night - I can just imagine the great Wolves team of the 50's beaming with pride at that and the fans of Wigan rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of 90 minutes of time wasting!

jim624 can I just point out that the chip on your shoulder must have been obscuring your view of my post as you have actually responded to a seemingly seperate argument.

But going off what you said I would fully expect more from teams with such a great histories (and i am not taking the piss because I am fully aware of how great clubs like Wolves have been in the past) so dosnt it make it even worse that McCarthy did what he did? Doesn't it dishonour the memory of those great teams when the Chief Exec' backs his manager in such decisions?

And please don't accuse me of talking down other clubs when I havent. I simply made clear my opinion of what they are offering in terms of entertainment and competition now.

I for one love the significance of clubs like Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday as well as Wolves and Burnley but for ANY club to deliberately not compete is for me the worse than almost anything in sport and pushes the spirit of the laws of the game to their absolute limit.