When did it all start to go wrong?

paulchapo

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I don't think any of us connected with the club saw this dramatic collapse coming. Sure we weren't exactly firing on all cylinders but there were a number of reasons for that,players coming back from the world cup,a dip in form of some key players and the usual injuries to contend with. We were all waiting for us to get back into our stride and crack on.To some extent we did.Perhaps buoyed by our dramatic late win against Bayern we then went on an incredible seven game winning run playing some great football along the way.We hit the buffers slightly on the 28th December against Burnley when we threw away a 2-0 lead and could easily have lost the game. Four days later we did the same against Sunderland but managed to win 3-2 before scraping home against Sheffield Wednesday in the FA cup.

There were a few worrying signs,especially how easily we were conceding goals but on the 10th January we played Everton level at the top with Chelsea. Our injury list though was now abating and Ya Ya was due to come back from the African cup of nations along with new signing Bony,surely now we would hit our usual second half of the season drive and crack on? Except we didn't.A draw and then a comprehensive 0-2 loss at home to Arsenal saw us back 5 points behind Chelsea.

An appalling display then saw us lose 0-2 to Middlesbrough before a good away display away at Chelsea saw us draw but a bit unlucky not to get the win,this was swiftly followed by a stuttering 1-1 draw at home to Hull, before two cracking back to back wins against Stoke and Newcastle scoring nine goals and conceding only one.The rest,aside from a 3-0 against a ten man West Brom and a stuttering 2-0 win against Leicester has been all downhill ever since culminating into Sunday's humiliating loss to the rags. Six losses and two wins although two of those losses were against Barcelona.

For me surprisingly i think our problems became more acute when we thought they were about to disappear with Ya Ya and injured key players returning. Ya Ya has looked like he doesn't want to be here most of the season and aside from brief flashes this has continued. Aguero as brilliant a striker as he is always takes at least 6-8 games to get his top form back when recovering from injury and Kompany's standards have dipped alarmingly,along with Zabaleta. Those four players are stellar in how we perform and on their day world class.To have one having an off day we feel it,all four and we REALLY feel it.Add to that new players not adapting and settling in as quickly as we would have liked and a manager stuck rigidly in his belief and tactics when it clearly isn't working and we are where we are.

On Sunday after a bright opening spell our collapse once they equalised was incredible.In the one game you would have thought the team would epitomise our famous ''Fight to the end'' chant they capitulated.All our pre game boasts that the rags would be found out when they met a better team like us blew up in our faces as it transpired WE were the team cruelly exposed.Everything that had been bad about us in parts all season all came home to roost in that one game.Lack of heart,fight,courage,conviction,no pressing a defence all over the place and a midfield once again overrun.It was painful to watch.

Sunday was a catalyst for this team and the club and i hope behind those closed doors a lot of soul searching,harsh words and hard work is going on.All divisions and problems now have to be cast aside and the team has to unite as one to get us the points we need to secure champions league football.The hard work then starts from there.
 
you could say the wigan cup final, what a terrible error of judgement that was. in this managers tenure i'd say the rot set in funny enough again v wigan.i called him a clown but maybe he was working under orders i dont know but it showed the players and in fact the entire football world that our manager didn't want to win EVERY game. winning is a habit, a habit that is undone by rotation. the player coming in has to wait to get the winning habit, by then though we've lost a few games. we get going again and we rotate again, player coming in...well you know the rest. i accept the need to freshen up players when needed, but there is the crux, when needed, we change winning teams for fun. very very dangerous particually in a defence. season defining in fact.
 
Sunday was a catalyst for this team and the club and i hope behind those closed doors a lot of soul searching,harsh words and hard work is going on.All divisions and problems now have to be cast aside and the team has to unite as one to get us the points we need to secure champions league football.The hard work then starts from there.


There will be no soul searching going on mate. No harsh words or hard work.

This season has been a disaster from the start. Yaya Toure didn't want to be here this season. All the players have known this and it has rubbed off on the team.
Last summers signings where a joke, we needed two established world class players, not mediocre squad players.
Going to Abu Dhabi mid season shows a lack of professionalism and a lot of arrogance towards the Premier League and the paying fans who go week in, week out.
Bringing in Bony then dropping Jovetic from the Champs League squad has rubbed the players up the wrong way. The actions of the club showed a total lack of respect towards him.
Pellegrini is not a strong enough manager. He can not manage multi millionaire mercenaries with big egos. His tactics are shoddy, his demeanour is death like.
The players don't care anymore, most of them know they are out the door. There are divisions in the changing room its obvious. Pellers has to go now.
Yaya needs to be dropped. Kompany needs to sort his head out. Something is not right with him. Maybe its his home life, but he looks a shadow of his former self.
We have big problems in the dressing room, to many mercenaries who don't care because they are off and chasing another pay day.
 
paulchapo said:
Mods if you feel this should be elsewhere please merge appropriately.

I don't think any of us connected with the club saw this dramatic collapse coming. Sure we weren't exactly firing on all cylinders but there were a number of reasons for that,players coming back from the world cup,a dip in form of some key players and the usual injuries to contend with. We were all waiting for us to get back into our stride and crack on.To some extent we did.Perhaps buoyed by our dramatic late win against Bayern we then went on an incredible seven game winning run playing some great football along the way.We hit the buffers slightly on the 28th December against Burnley when we threw away a 2-0 lead and could easily have lost the game. Four days later we did the same against Sunderland but managed to win 3-2 before scraping home against Sheffield Wednesday in the FA cup.

There were a few worrying signs,especially how easily we were conceding goals but on the 10th January we played Everton level at the top with Chelsea. Our injury list though was now abating and Ya Ya was due to come back from the African cup of nations along with new signing Bony,surely now we would hit our usual second half of the season drive and crack on? Except we didn't.A draw and then a comprehensive 0-2 loss at home to Arsenal saw us back 5 points behind Chelsea.

An appalling display then saw us lose 0-2 to Middlesbrough before a good away display away at Chelsea saw us draw but a bit unlucky not to get the win,this was swiftly followed by a stuttering 1-1 draw at home to Hull, before two cracking back to back wins against Stoke and Newcastle scoring nine goals and conceding only one.The rest,aside from a 3-0 against a ten man West Brom and a stuttering 2-0 win against Leicester has been all downhill ever since culminating into Sunday's humiliating loss to the rags. Six losses and two wins although two of those losses were against Barcelona.

For me surprisingly i think our problems became more acute when we thought they were about to disappear with Ya Ya and injured key players returning. Ya Ya has looked like he doesn't want to be here most of the season and aside from brief flashes this has continued. Aguero as brilliant a striker as he is always takes at least 6-8 games to get his top form back when recovering from injury and Kompany's standards have dipped alarmingly,along with Zabaleta. Those four players are stellar in how we perform and on their day world class.To have one having an off day we feel it,all four and we REALLY feel it.Add to that new players not adapting and settling in as quickly as we would have liked and a manager stuck rigidly in his belief and tactics when it clearly isn't working and we are where we are.

On Sunday after a bright opening spell our collapse once they equalised was incredible.In the one game you would have thought the team would epitomise our famous ''Fight to the end'' chant they capitulated.All our pre game boasts that the rags would be found out when they met a better team like us blew up in our faces as it transpired WE were the team cruelly exposed.Everything that had been bad about us in parts all season all came home to roost in that one game.Lack of heart,fight,courage,conviction,no pressing a defence all over the place and a midfield once again overrun.It was painful to watch.

Sunday was a catalyst for this team and the club and i hope behind those closed doors a lot of soul searching,harsh words and hard work is going on.All divisions and problems now have to be cast aside and the team has to unite as one to get us the points we need to secure champions league football.The hard work then starts from there.


Basically in the transfer market .

When you don't recruit players of the ilk of Hazard , Sanchez and Costa and have no new blood coming through the ranks you will come unstuck and when it does it can come quickly.

The players you mention have all been at the club for sometime , 2 of them for 7 years and both are no longer real value adding members to compete at the highest level domestically least of all in Europe.

While you don't always judge a player on one season and you can selectively use results and performances to make quick judgements the vast majority of people will argue Mangala , Fernando and Sagna have been unmitigatied disasters and crying for the club to off load them in the summer.

Many the first two just are not cut out for the premiership.

Lampard was a short term purchase handled poorly since January and the lead up to Chirstmas and the rest of those bought in the summer don't get a game or are insignificant to the cause in the premiership.

That leaves Bony who has been a sick note after having an injury free career in the premiership until he joined us.

Those in charge of our transfers since 2011/2012 and to some extent before have been nothing short of a disgrace.

I can only think of one player who I would choose to represent my team if we had to play against the top 12 ranked sides in Europe and three maybe four to represent our side next year in the premiership and depending on who was in charge and the game style invoked it might be even less than that.

Fortunately we have the funds to address our terrible record in the transfer market but two things you have to consider.

Competition for the players we want has never been stronger and it won't be a walk in the park to get rid of those players on long contracts and high wages who are here for a free ride.

The guy with a T in his his first name has one more summer to start to get things back on track.

Comparatively speaking given where we had to come from the previous regime as shambolic at they were at times are looking like world beaters and the bulk of Mancini's side and in Fact Leslies side is still regarded as our spine.
 
I agree with some of that de niro. We are not privvy to what happens behind the scenes but in my opinion things should have been sorted with Mancini and he should have been allowed to continue. He was hung out to dry when the club needed to kick on from the title winning season with a couple of 'wow' signings,that was all it needed.Mancini knew that,the fans knew that but the board let him down.Instead we got Rodwell and fucking Sinclair!

He was a winner and changed the mentality of this football club who had never remotely looked like winning anything in 35 years until he took the helm.Even in that average season we came runners up in both the league and cup and if it wasn't for the turmoil behind the scenes would probably have won the cup.Players who he identified as a problem,like Nasri have reverted to type proving he was right.I couldn't give a fuck if he says hello to the kitman so long as the team win on the field,that is all that matters.

Wholesale rotation have undone us especially in defence as it has never had time to become a solid unit/You can rest one ot two players in so called 'lesser' games but not half a team.This is a mistake foreign managers often make as they don't understand the competitive nature of this league it is relentless.
 
When our strikers returned from injury and allowed Manual Bassett to play 442 again.

IIRC, our best form was when we played 1 up/ 'false 9'
 
paulchapo said:
I agree with some of that de niro. We are not privvy to what happens behind the scenes but in my opinion things should have been sorted with Mancini and he should have been allowed to continue. He was hung out to dry when the club needed to kick on from the title winning season with a couple of 'wow' signings,that was all it needed.Mancini knew that,the fans knew that but the board let him down.Instead we got Rodwell and fucking Sinclair!

He was a winner and changed the mentality of this football club who had never remotely looked like winning anything in 35 years until he took the helm.Even in that average season we came runners up in both the league and cup and if it wasn't for the turmoil behind the scenes would probably have won the cup.Players who he identified as a problem,like Nasri have reverted to type proving he was right.I couldn't give a fuck if he says hello to the kitman so long as the team win on the field,that is all that matters.

Wholesale rotation have undone us especially in defence as it has never had time to become a solid unit/You can rest one ot two players in so called 'lesser' games but not half a team.This is a mistake foreign managers often make as they don't understand the competitive nature of this league it is relentless.

I totally agree mate. Mancini was the perfect manager for City, He got us and we got him.
 
phil31 said:
paulchapo said:
I agree with some of that de niro. We are not privvy to what happens behind the scenes but in my opinion things should have been sorted with Mancini and he should have been allowed to continue. He was hung out to dry when the club needed to kick on from the title winning season with a couple of 'wow' signings,that was all it needed.Mancini knew that,the fans knew that but the board let him down.Instead we got Rodwell and fucking Sinclair!

He was a winner and changed the mentality of this football club who had never remotely looked like winning anything in 35 years until he took the helm.Even in that average season we came runners up in both the league and cup and if it wasn't for the turmoil behind the scenes would probably have won the cup.Players who he identified as a problem,like Nasri have reverted to type proving he was right.I couldn't give a fuck if he says hello to the kitman so long as the team win on the field,that is all that matters.

Wholesale rotation have undone us especially in defence as it has never had time to become a solid unit/You can rest one ot two players in so called 'lesser' games but not half a team.This is a mistake foreign managers often make as they don't understand the competitive nature of this league it is relentless.

I totally agree mate. Mancini was the perfect manager for City, He got us and we got him.

100%. He just got it from day one,his emotion and drive,his will to win,his tearing down that banner comment,rattling and standing toe to toe with that old bully Ferguson,his madcap antics,his ice cool demeanour he was one of us.
 
paulchapo said:
phil31 said:
paulchapo said:
I agree with some of that de niro. We are not privvy to what happens behind the scenes but in my opinion things should have been sorted with Mancini and he should have been allowed to continue. He was hung out to dry when the club needed to kick on from the title winning season with a couple of 'wow' signings,that was all it needed.Mancini knew that,the fans knew that but the board let him down.Instead we got Rodwell and fucking Sinclair!

He was a winner and changed the mentality of this football club who had never remotely looked like winning anything in 35 years until he took the helm.Even in that average season we came runners up in both the league and cup and if it wasn't for the turmoil behind the scenes would probably have won the cup.Players who he identified as a problem,like Nasri have reverted to type proving he was right.I couldn't give a fuck if he says hello to the kitman so long as the team win on the field,that is all that matters.

Wholesale rotation have undone us especially in defence as it has never had time to become a solid unit/You can rest one ot two players in so called 'lesser' games but not half a team.This is a mistake foreign managers often make as they don't understand the competitive nature of this league it is relentless.

I totally agree mate. Mancini was the perfect manager for City, He got us and we got him.

100%. He just got it from day one,his emotion and drive,his will to win,his tearing down that banner comment,rattling and standing toe to toe with that old bully Ferguson,his madcap antics,his ice cool demeanour he was one of us.

Exactly. I can't believe we let player power over rule the manager. The scenario we find ourselves in now was always going to happen. I also feel that Pellegrini had the feeling that he was only a stop gap manager. There can be no other reason for his lack of emotion.
 
i have never gone to any game as comfortable or as confindent with pellers at the helm as opposed to mancini. i know thats not the right thing to say on here but its the truth.
 

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