When did it all start to go wrong?

[BillyShears]

We are still in the top echelons of the PL and need to take losses on the chin. We cannot win every game and no matter who / what we change we will still have silly losses along the way.

Forget the we are better than them syndrom, over the years the PL has exposed that as a myth

I'm afraid it comes down to footballs rich tapestry

This thread simply mirrors threads on RAWK, rag cafe, and the Shed End from the past and present about Benitez and Mourinho and Slur Alex. Seems every set of supporters has an insecure minority who fall so heavily in love with the personality of a manager that they simply never get over his leaving. It's all a bit tragic.

 

[Phil1]

We are still in the top echelons of the PL and need to take losses on the chin. We cannot win every game and no matter who / what we change we will still have silly losses along the way.

Forget the we are better than them syndrom, over the years the PL has exposed that as a myth

I'm afraid it comes down to footballs rich tapestry

This thread simply mirrors threads on RAWK, rag cafe, and the Shed End from the past and present about Benitez and Mourinho and Slur Alex. Seems every set of supporters has an insecure minority who fall so heavily in love with the personality of a manager that they simply never get over his leaving. It's all a bit tragic.

Apart from the over dramatic thread title I don't think the subject is one we should ignore.
There can be no arguments that we've imploded over the last four months, people wondering what may have contributed to that implosion on a forum designed specifically for City fans isn't insecure.
I don't even think it had anything to do with Mancini (the thread) just somebody asking the question as to why this season has gone horribly wrong.
It seems from your post you just felt the need to get your "Mancini was a **** and anyone who disagrees likewise" quota in for the day.

 

[allyboy]

In answer to the OPs thread title;

When we sacked Mancini.

Tail wags dog, Yaya etc.. recipe for disaster.
So he rubbed a few kit men up the wrong way - give a f**k.
He had balls.

 

[BillyShears]

We are still in the top echelons of the PL and need to take losses on the chin. We cannot win every game and no matter who / what we change we will still have silly losses along the way.

Forget the we are better than them syndrom, over the years the PL has exposed that as a myth

I'm afraid it comes down to footballs rich tapestry

This thread simply mirrors threads on RAWK, rag cafe, and the Shed End from the past and present about Benitez and Mourinho and Slur Alex. Seems every set of supporters has an insecure minority who fall so heavily in love with the personality of a manager that they simply never get over his leaving. It's all a bit tragic.

Apart from the over dramatic thread title I don't think the subject is one we should ignore.
There can be no arguments that we've imploded over the last four months, people wondering what may have contributed to that implosion on a forum designed specifically for City fans isn't insecure.
I don't even think it had anything to do with Mancini (the thread) just somebody asking the question as to why this season has gone horribly wrong.
It seems from your post you just felt the need to get your "Mancini was a c**t and anyone who disagrees likewise" quota in for the day.

I must've missed the interesting tactical discussions because all i've taken from this thread is 15 pages of "Bobby did it better".

It also speaks volumes that even though I've made no obvious or even implied derogatory remarks about Bobby, you've decided that I've called him a ****. That just about sums up the warped mentality posters like you had when he was in charge, and clearly still have to a greater or lesser degree.

 

[Phil1]

This thread simply mirrors threads on RAWK, rag cafe, and the Shed End from the past and present about Benitez and Mourinho and Slur Alex. Seems every set of supporters has an insecure minority who fall so heavily in love with the personality of a manager that they simply never get over his leaving. It's all a bit tragic.

Apart from the over dramatic thread title I don't think the subject is one we should ignore.
There can be no arguments that we've imploded over the last four months, people wondering what may have contributed to that implosion on a forum designed specifically for City fans isn't insecure.
I don't even think it had anything to do with Mancini (the thread) just somebody asking the question as to why this season has gone horribly wrong.
It seems from your post you just felt the need to get your "Mancini was a c**t and anyone who disagrees likewise" quota in for the day.

I must've missed the interesting tactical discussions because all i've taken from this thread is 15 pages of "Bobby did it better".

It also speaks volumes that even though I've made no obvious or even implied derogatory remarks about Bobby, you've decided that I've called him a c**t. That just about sums up the warped mentality posters like you had when he was in charge, and clearly still have to a greater or lesser degree.

No, your hundreds of previous posts on him led me to believe you think he's a ****. Trying to pass off my fairly tame comments as having a "warped mentality" is another example of you jumping to conclusions that are based on nothing.
Most of the posts I skimmed over we're discussing certain games where we fell apart and the knock on effect. Interesting tactical discussion wasn't neccesarily needed.

 

[BillyShears]

No, your hundreds of previous posts on him led me to believe you think he's a c**t. Trying to pass off my fairly tame comments as having a "warped mentality" is another example of you jumping to conclusions that are based on nothing.

Hang on - you posted this "It seems from your post you just felt the need to get your "Mancini was a c**t and anyone who disagrees likewise" quota in for the day."

Clearly I said nothing of the sort but clearly also my original post was a little too close to the bone for you. Which is understandable.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

There's a lot of revisionist opinion regarding the Mancini reign, which was frequently dull and dour.
However, from the first minute of his first game in charge, the same defence, who had previously conceded nine goals against Bolton, Tottenham, and Sunderland suddenly looked a well drilled cohesive unit.

Also, apart from Kolarov or Clichy, and Balotelli or Dzeko, the first eleven virtually picked itself. Adam Johnson was the perfect sub when City were already winning, and in the title winning season, Mancini's decision to replace Tevez with De Jong, (and so grant Yaya the licence to bomb upfield) was inspirational.

I didn't necessarily agree with his tactics, but I understood them.

Under Pellegrini, we chop and change, frequently discarding our best player from the previous weekend. We give the impression that we don't practice set pieces, and even worse we've become stale, slow and predictable.

I haven't a clue what our best team is this season, bur more importantly, I don't think Pellegrini does.

The same stuff happened under Mancini.

He sabotaged his own defence after winning the title with it. And started trying to play 3 at the back with a team clearly not cut out for it.

As for set pieces, Mancini's team was one of the worst, then became quite good for a short while, then shit again. Last season we were one of the best, now one of the worst.

Same thing.

As for Yaya, I still remember his performance under Mancini in Kieiv. Made Sunday's look like vintage Colin Bell. Or his 'marking' of Cavani in Napoli, or tracking Ribery etc in Germany etc etc etc. He was at his peak then. And if our last performance at Spurs under Mancini was a tight well organised defence, then I'm the Pope.

We have seen all this before, it has not just started under Pellegrini. And Yaya was at his peak back then. Not anymore.

With the greatest respect, you're arguing against a point that I haven't actually made.

I wasn't Mancini's greatest fan, and I was just as annoyed as you with Yaya's lack of resilience and concentration in the major European games (as I was with Silva, who in my opinion has never played well when it really matters in the Champions League)

However, this thread is about the recent implosion in the Premier League, and when it started. Again, if you read my first post, you'll find that I agree with your assertion that some of this was already there. I even mentioned Pellegrini's pathetic press conference after the victory in Munich last season, which at the time, seemed quite funny in a Typical City sort of way.

Football isn't black and white, so when we won the title in 2012, the problems with Tevez and Balotelli were hidden, only to resurface the following season.
Similarly, everything seemed fantastic last season, mainly because we won two trophies. Our strange FA Cup performance against Wigan was just a blip, and it didn't really matter that we'd got out of jail at Wembley with three fantastic goals.

The only mitigation for Pellegrini is that we never got to the bottom of what really happened to Negredo, who let's be honest, appeared to be a fantastic signing, (until he got injured in a game, where he didn't really need to play)
In the short term, Dzeko's resurgence helped us maintain our title surge, and kid ourselves that we could cope.
This season has proved otherwise because there's been too much pressure on Aguero to deliver.

 

[urban genie]

We are still in the top echelons of the PL and need to take losses on the chin. We cannot win every game and no matter who / what we change we will still have silly losses along the way.

Forget the we are better than them syndrom, over the years the PL has exposed that as a myth

I'm afraid it comes down to footballs rich tapestry

This thread simply mirrors threads on RAWK, rag cafe, and the Shed End from the past and present about Benitez and Mourinho and Slur Alex. Seems every set of supporters has an insecure minority who fall so heavily in love with the personality of a manager that they simply never get over his leaving. It's all a bit tragic.

Unfortunately this turning on Pellers was always something that was possible, and that's down to the way he was appointed, with Tixi openly meeting up with his agent in the months before Mancini's sacking and the leaks on FA Cup weekend. I am not saying Bobbys sacking wasn't right or that pellers hasn't done alright for us, I like the guy and still support him while he is in charge, but the mismanaged nature of the whole thing left a bad taste at the time and so this years slump has just reopened those feeling in some.

you are gonna have those who liked mancini's personality, and he left an impression on the club, but that's alway the way with managers of the past(Mercer, Allison, Book, Reid, Horton, Keegan) unless they were shocking (coppell, clark, Ball, Pearce, etc), the reaction of the present is down to the slump this season, but in the long run Pellers will be regarded as a good manager for us and will be fondly thought off.

Whatever is going to happen the club need to shake off this haphazard way we get into these situations regarding our managers either staying or going, we've been doing it since Allison replaced Mercer

As long as Pellers is in chatrge we should support him but there is nowt wrong with celebrating past managers, Brian Horton is the greatest by the way

 

[Phil1]

No, your hundreds of previous posts on him led me to believe you think he's a c**t. Trying to pass off my fairly tame comments as having a "warped mentality" is another example of you jumping to conclusions that are based on nothing.

Hang on - you posted this "It seems from your post you just felt the need to get your "Mancini was a c**t and anyone who disagrees likewise" quota in for the day."

Clearly I said nothing of the sort but clearly also my original post was a little too close to the bone for you. Which is understandable.

Well when you've read the same poster (under different guises) spend what must amount to hours writing hundreds of posts tearing apart everything about a manager, getting personal with their hatred on many occasions, you tend to get a feel for their intentions.
It's not close to the bone, it's seeing you defend MP for everything you dug out RM for and calling you out for it. Which is understandable..

 

[BillyShears]

Unfortunately this turning on Pellers was always something that was possible, and that's down to the way he was appointed, with Tixi openly meeting up with his agent in the months before Mancini's sacking and the leaks on FA Cup weekend. I am not saying Bobbys sacking wasn't right or that pellers hasn't done alright for us, I like the guy and still support him while he is in charge, but the mismanaged nature of the whole thing left a bad taste at the time and so this years slump has just reopened those feeling in some.

you are gonna have those who liked mancini's personality, and he left an impression on the club, but that's alway the way with managers of the past(Mercer, Allison, Book, Reid, Horton, Keegan) unless they were shocking (coppell, clark, Ball, Pearce, etc), the reaction of the present is down to the slump this season, but in the long run Pellers will be regarded as a good manager for us and will be fondly thought off.

Whatever is going to happen the club need to shake off this haphazard way we get into these situations regarding our managers either staying or going, we've been doing it since Allison replaced Mercer

As long as Pellers is in chatrge we should support him but there is nowt wrong with celebrating past managers, Brian Horton is the greatest by the way

You miss the point slightly mate. Most posters can respect what Mancini did but can also see that his time was up and that we move on. I'm talking about those people who seem to think that some awful downward spiral was created when Mancini was sacked.

In terms of how we deal with these things, there simply isn't a good way to sack a manager. Check out all the links to Pep and Klopp - it's no different to when Mancini was in charge and we were being heavily linked to Pellegrini or some other manager. It's the nature of the beast. The good thing is that it's clear that Pellegrini won't be indulging in any public defences of his own record or of the season, and nor will be be demanding backing publicly from the board. He'll know privately what his future holds and until the season ends I suspect he'll get one with doing his job without indulging those people who want to engage him in a conversation about his own future.