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When did it all start to go wrong?
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Dribble
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Game set.& match.......BlueAnorak said:Prestwich_Blue said:In 2012/13, Mancini's last season, we scored 66 goals and conceded 34. In 2012/13 under Pellegrini we scored 102 goals and conceded 37. So far this season, we've conceded 34.city2 said:The day Mancini was sacked, the defence has gradually gone worse with almost every game
Careful!
Lets compare oranges with oranges and lemons with lemons:
The oranges:
Mancini Champions Season 2011/12 F=93 A=29 GD=+64 Pts=89
Pellegrini Champions Season 2013/14 F=102 A=37 GD=+65 Pts=86
Pellegrini's team scored 9 more and conceded 8 more, but Mancini gota 3 more points.
The lemons:
Mancini Crash Dive Season 2012/13 F=66 A=34 GD=+32 Pts=78 (2nd)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season 2014/15 F=65 A=35 GD=+31 Pts=61 (4th)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season Extrapolated to conclusion 2014/15 F=77 A=42 GD=+35 Pts=72 (4th)
Pellegrini's team scores 11 more and concedes 10 more by Mancini gets 6 more points.
As can be seen there really isn't much difference on GD, though Mancini's team gets a few more points.
That might be the silliest thing I've ever read. Did Mancini not inherit VK, PZ, NDJ, Barry and Tevez from Hughes? Added a couple of his players and won the league before having one similar to this?Balti said:BlueAnorak said:Prestwich_Blue said:In 2012/13, Mancini's last season, we scored 66 goals and conceded 34. In 2012/13 under Pellegrini we scored 102 goals and conceded 37. So far this season, we've conceded 34.
Careful!
Lets compare oranges with oranges and lemons with lemons:
The oranges:
Mancini Champions Season 2011/12 F=93 A=29 GD=+64 Pts=89
Pellegrini Champions Season 2013/14 F=102 A=37 GD=+65 Pts=86
Pellegrini's team scored 9 more and conceded 8 more, but Mancini gota 3 more points.
The lemons:
Mancini Crash Dive Season 2012/13 F=66 A=34 GD=+32 Pts=78 (2nd)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season 2014/15 F=65 A=35 GD=+31 Pts=61 (4th)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season Extrapolated to conclusion 2014/15 F=77 A=42 GD=+35 Pts=72 (4th)
Pellegrini's team scores 11 more and concedes 10 more by Mancini gets 6 more points.
As can be seen there really isn't much difference on GD, though Mancini's team gets a few more points.
Bobby Mancs team carried Pellegrini for a while
He's being found out now
ballbag said:That might be the silliest thing I've ever read. Did Mancini not inherit VK, PZ, NDJ, Barry and Tevez from Hughes? Added a couple of his players and won the league before having one similar to this?Balti said:BlueAnorak said:Careful!
Lets compare oranges with oranges and lemons with lemons:
The oranges:
Mancini Champions Season 2011/12 F=93 A=29 GD=+64 Pts=89
Pellegrini Champions Season 2013/14 F=102 A=37 GD=+65 Pts=86
Pellegrini's team scored 9 more and conceded 8 more, but Mancini gota 3 more points.
The lemons:
Mancini Crash Dive Season 2012/13 F=66 A=34 GD=+32 Pts=78 (2nd)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season 2014/15 F=65 A=35 GD=+31 Pts=61 (4th)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season Extrapolated to conclusion 2014/15 F=77 A=42 GD=+35 Pts=72 (4th)
Pellegrini's team scores 11 more and concedes 10 more by Mancini gets 6 more points.
As can be seen there really isn't much difference on GD, though Mancini's team gets a few more points.
Bobby Mancs team carried Pellegrini for a while
He's being found out now
I have no side here , but as much as I hate Hughes and them , that last post is probably is the best post I have seen on here
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Jack74 said:Balti said:BlueAnorak said:Careful!
Lets compare oranges with oranges and lemons with lemons:
The oranges:
Mancini Champions Season 2011/12 F=93 A=29 GD=+64 Pts=89
Pellegrini Champions Season 2013/14 F=102 A=37 GD=+65 Pts=86
Pellegrini's team scored 9 more and conceded 8 more, but Mancini gota 3 more points.
The lemons:
Mancini Crash Dive Season 2012/13 F=66 A=34 GD=+32 Pts=78 (2nd)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season 2014/15 F=65 A=35 GD=+31 Pts=61 (4th)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season Extrapolated to conclusion 2014/15 F=77 A=42 GD=+35 Pts=72 (4th)
Pellegrini's team scores 11 more and concedes 10 more by Mancini gets 6 more points.
As can be seen there really isn't much difference on GD, though Mancini's team gets a few more points.
Bobby Mancs team carried Pellegrini for a while
He's being found out now
Ouch
We were a bit lucky to win the PL last season lets be honest .... that saved Pellegrini some scrutiny. He's been clueless in most of the big games ... Anyone with a modicum of common sense can see it is madness to go into a game against a top European team with two up front and two centre mids one of which is Yaya Toure who does close to zero in a defensive capacity .... Pellegrini is deluded and dreams of some utopian idea of the perfect style of football .... that's it ....he's a dreamer, hence we're f*cked ... we need a realist. I hate Mourinho but he's a realist ... He's prepared to admit to himself that the other team is better on occasion and work out a plan to stop and limit them ans 'steal' a win if necessary!!.....
citymad
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It's funny I always remember the Napoli home fixture. It was seemingly the first time I'd seen a team play against us like that. Probably a load of rubbish but from then on it seemed every time we lost we were contained and scored upon by teams that were organized, withstood our possession game and robbed us with some counter attack.
eversince 76
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Ever since Negredo got injured and couldn't get back to scoring ways. Up until than we played the best football l've ever seen us play and scoring for fun not worrying about conceding.
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eversince 76 said:Ever since Negredo got injured and couldn't get back to scoring ways. Up until than we played the best football l've ever seen us play and scoring for fun not worrying about conceding.
this is actually a very good shout. i think we miss the beast much more than we realise. he was good in the defending department too.
with mancini in charge we commanded respect, we instilled fear in to sides, we made teams change the way they play because of our players. non of that goes on now. a stoke , palace, burnley etc can all happen, but only as a one off, its now getting commonplace. even in the cup games. sorry but a change is needed.
Dribble
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The difference though is the team Pellegrini inherited had already won an FA Cup & a league title and had just finished a clear 2nd & were losing cup finalists, whilst the one Mancini inherited had won squat and were heading in a southerly direction in the PL.ballbag said:That might be the silliest thing I've ever read. Did Mancini not inherit VK, PZ, NDJ, Barry and Tevez from Hughes? Added a couple of his players and won the league before having one similar to this?Balti said:BlueAnorak said:Careful!
Lets compare oranges with oranges and lemons with lemons:
The oranges:
Mancini Champions Season 2011/12 F=93 A=29 GD=+64 Pts=89
Pellegrini Champions Season 2013/14 F=102 A=37 GD=+65 Pts=86
Pellegrini's team scored 9 more and conceded 8 more, but Mancini gota 3 more points.
The lemons:
Mancini Crash Dive Season 2012/13 F=66 A=34 GD=+32 Pts=78 (2nd)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season 2014/15 F=65 A=35 GD=+31 Pts=61 (4th)
Pellegrini Crash Dive Season Extrapolated to conclusion 2014/15 F=77 A=42 GD=+35 Pts=72 (4th)
Pellegrini's team scores 11 more and concedes 10 more by Mancini gets 6 more points.
As can be seen there really isn't much difference on GD, though Mancini's team gets a few more points.
Bobby Mancs team carried Pellegrini for a while
He's being found out now
Every manager inherits a squad and tries to put his stamp on it and over time the personnel will evolve too, so I think its unfair to say Mancini just 'added a couple of his players and won the league. Those players added were Aguero, Dzeko, Balotelli, Silva, Nasri, Yaya, Hart (chosen over Given), Clichy and Kolorov and he also gave us an identity in terms of playing style. We were hard to beat, controlled most PL games and were deadly in front of goal.
Pellegrini 'took the shackles off' and went for an all out attacking policy whilst trusting the players to let their ability do the talking. Keegan did a similar thing at Newcastle and had a philosophy of 'If you score 3, we'll score 4' which excited the neutrals but won him nowt. Last season we did a double which was our best return in a single season for decades, but somehow our performances never felt controlled or convincing and the defensive solidity we'd built our foundations on were being steadily eroded.
If I can draw an analogy, its like putting an F1 car in the hands of a teenage boy racer and expecting a win or expecting Mayweather and Pacquiao to come out flailing their arms each other like windmills if you will in the hope one or the other will score a knockout win before the other one does or before the windmill merchant runs out of steam. There will always be someone who has a punchers of winning but in the long run, skill married to tactics will always have the better longevity.
What I can see this season is a direct result of that all out attacking, trust the players ability philosophy from last, because at the highest level talent will only get you so far. Tactics and hard work are what make good sportsmen or teams great, we've got the talent but we've been found to be a one trick pony tactically to the point where even Big Fat Sam figured out how to beat us.
For a club with our ambitions, this isn't good........... Who can say on current form they feel confident about Sunday v West Ham? On a final note, during Macini's final season, our downturn in form was blamed on him, so why is our current downturn being blamed on the players this time around? Those above our manager need to take a long hard look at the part part they've played in this season's poor showing as.the problems I can see set in long before a ball was kicked in anger last August....
crystal_mais
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Fuck me some of you are like a broken record - It's all because we sacked Mancini boo hoo fucking hoo. You're like the people who just never seems to move on from that bird that has left you.
He's been gone nearly 2 years - we have enjoyed the best season of our lives and are now having a dog shit season.#
The league is now stronger from when Mancini was here - Chelsea are far stronger (especially with Mourinho), Rags, Arse, Scousers, Soton & Spurs are too. Our team is fucking older. Who says Mancini would have done better? Also fucking FFP has meant we have not been able to increase our Net Spend - hence we have not been able to go out and buy the 3/4 £40m+ super players and squad players that we need.
People really do not get how much FFP and us trying to comply has bollocksed us for the last 2/3 seasons. This shit is real.
The circle will continue on these threads. The next one around will say "its fucked up since those Barca cunts arrived" and around we go again.
You can tell I've not had a drink for 4 months :)
He's been gone nearly 2 years - we have enjoyed the best season of our lives and are now having a dog shit season.#
The league is now stronger from when Mancini was here - Chelsea are far stronger (especially with Mourinho), Rags, Arse, Scousers, Soton & Spurs are too. Our team is fucking older. Who says Mancini would have done better? Also fucking FFP has meant we have not been able to increase our Net Spend - hence we have not been able to go out and buy the 3/4 £40m+ super players and squad players that we need.
People really do not get how much FFP and us trying to comply has bollocksed us for the last 2/3 seasons. This shit is real.
The circle will continue on these threads. The next one around will say "its fucked up since those Barca cunts arrived" and around we go again.
You can tell I've not had a drink for 4 months :)