When you die, are you really dead ?

Blue Maverick said:
Death is one of the strangest things I’ve seen, it’s so weird to see just basically a mannequin in front of you, that spark that is life has just ceased to be, but what is that spark inside, when your heart stops beating, blood is still flowing to a degree temporarily and the brain is still active, so are you still thinking/dreaming, do you even realise, you are dead? The older I get and the more I see of it, I can see why people have beliefs purely from been afraid, personally I just think once your gone that’s it, so bloody enjoy it and stop believing in a make believe deity.
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Read a book called "Proof of Heaven". It is written by a neurosurgeon that had a bad case of meningitis and was pretty much brain dead. He writes of his journey out of body. When he came back everyone said he had a dream and he countered with the fact that the electrodes that were placed on his head showed that the "dream" part of his brain was not functioning so it couldn't have been a dream. The doctor has some videos on YouTube and I suggest people that are open minded to watch them. It might change your opinion of death and life altogether.
 
manimanc said:
The body dies but the soul lives on.
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Yes!
The reason I was interested in the book is because I had an out of body experience many many years ago. I came out of a coma and a catholic priest was reading me my last rites. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't make it.
My experience was different in ways but similar in some.
What I took out of the YouTube video is that we are here to prove ourselves. If we don't prove ourselves we just may come back as ourselves or someone else until you get it right. I also took from the video that organized religion isn't needed to get to the next phase. I'm not knocking religion!!! Just my own take from the video.
 
There is a podcast on BBC Sounds called Bright yellow light. It's about the man whose daughter died from eating a sandwich and him finding faith due to something that happened when she died. He has talked about the death before but not about finding God. Its worth a listen.
 
DT King of all Geordies said:
There is a podcast on BBC Sounds called Bright yellow light. It's about the man whose daughter died from eating a sandwich and him finding faith due to something that happened when she died. He has talked about the death before but not about finding God. Its worth a listen.
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Absolutely agree.
That neurosurgeon claims that the power of prayer is what helped bring him back. He had a very young son that wanted him back very badly and his prayers sent a message.
 
Michael j said:
Yes!
The reason I was interested in the book is because I had an out of body experience many many years ago. I came out of a coma and a catholic priest was reading me my last rites. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't make it.
My experience was different in ways but similar in some.
What I took out of the YouTube video is that we are here to prove ourselves. If we don't prove ourselves we just may come back as ourselves or someone else until you get it right. I also took from the video that organized religion isn't needed to get to the next phase. I'm not knocking religion!!! Just my own take from the video.
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It's all about vibrations, spirits work in vibrations and frequencies, some people can tune into them, say for instance a medium, some people can't tune into them, say for instance you and me.
Apparently if you meditate and clear your mind of all the clutter sometimes these vibrations and frequencies can get through...
 
I've been dead for about 20 mins,i was more peeved later down the line when i realised i had missed the ride in the helicopter to hospital
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
It is possible to have a belief system and also to enjoy your life. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Fair enough I just don’t believe in any of it and I think it’s used to control the masses, I have to attend church on a Sunday to get my daughter into school and I just sit there thinking if this had been invented 20/40 years ago they’d say it was a cult like Waco.
 
There definitely more to the universe and life that our senses allow us to experience. But once the curtain comes down and our brain fades to black. There is no encore or second act, our exsistence continues only in the memories of the living and now whatever digital footprint we leave behind.
 
There’s nothing particularly special about humans.

We aren’t big, fast, strong, we live an average to low lifespan (some fish and sea mammals live for hundreds of years, some trees for thousands), our hearing/sight/smell is poor, we can’t change colour or shape, we have no sonar, we have no venom or poison for protection...

Basically the only thing about our species is that our brains are fairly intelligent in relation to other Great Apes. However we also lack huge amounts of intelligence that even our hunter gatherer ancestors had as we are ruining the planet.

With our so called intelligence we have basically become a parasite to our host.

We will ruin that host eventually and all die out and the world will take a few hundred or thousand years to recover and there’ll be little sign we ever existed.

To think that a parasite gets an afterlife is as fanciful as it is stupid.
 
MellowJoe said:
Er, yep.. i think consciousness requires a brain, and when it dies the lights go out
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Highly disputed statement especially if you mean in general!

If you're talking about a Human Being then the light goes out when the brain dies, yes.

Consciousness is an entirely separate subject. You may communicate with another Human face to face or digitally, but there's not empirical proof you have consciousness except your own validation.

"Cogito, ergo sum" is subjective to you, only.

One cannot scientifically prove consciousness ceases to exist in a form as one cannot test it.
 
Bigga said:
Highly disputed statement especially if you mean in general!

If you're talking about a Human Being then the light goes out when the brain dies, yes.

Consciousness is an entirely separate subject. You may communicate with another Human face to face or digitally, but there's not empirical proof you have consciousness except your own validation.

"Cogito, ergo sum" is subjective to you, only.

One cannot scientifically prove consciousness ceases to exist in a form as one cannot test it.
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nor that it does continue either so the correct answer is we don't know
 
Bigga said:
Highly disputed statement especially if you mean in general!

If you're talking about a Human Being then the light goes out when the brain dies, yes.

Consciousness is an entirely separate subject. You may communicate with another Human face to face or digitally, but there's not empirical proof you have consciousness except your own validation.

"Cogito, ergo sum" is subjective to you, only.

One cannot scientifically prove consciousness ceases to exist in a form as one cannot test it.
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I agree, and i didnt state it was a fact, it just appears to be the case.. but yes we cant disprove solipsism or P-zombies or whathaveyou, though i think consciousness is emergent and not just there always
 
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