Whereto from here, Adebayor?

[Soulboy]

But the only way Ade is going to prove the manager wrong, the doubters wrong, is to perform whenever the opportiunity is handed to him.

And can you honestly say he has taken that chance?

Did Silva do this in his numerous appearances before he hit form?

Should we sell him and slag him off as lazy too?

What about Milner?

'Grabbing opportunities' is all well and good, but any single striker in the world will tell you that 2 starts and a couple of sub appearances in a season is absolutely not enough time to get into form, especially if they are stop-start as they have been with Ade.

-- Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:16 pm --

I wouldn't say he's lazy at the running about part. He isn't good at it by any means, but he will look like he's closing an opponent down and doing something. But he actually didn't put any if their players under enough pressure to tackle them or make them make a mistake. The worst part of him is when we have the ball, or especially when he has the ball. His effort levels are nil at keepin the ball when it's at his feet, there to be held up, or there for what is sometimes a 70-30 header in his favour - he loses the ball in all these situations!

I don't even know what that means.

Why even mention Silva or Milner? What has it got to do with this thread? If you want to dissect their performance then do it in an appropriate thread... yes?

This thread is about Ade... and I've asked you as to what he contributes to the team... what he has shown this season to justify selecting him.

Yes, it's harsh that others are preferred in front of him, but that's football life at the higest levels. We can't carry passengers. Or do you think we should give Ade another half dozen games to make a judgement? And dramatically reduce the effectiveness of Tevez at the same time.

The manager has to make the call, and I think so far he has called it right. It's a shame you can't get behind the manager and support his decisions on Ade rather than choosing the player's interests over the interests of the manager.

Oh, and Silva did more in 20 minutes yesterday than Ade has all season. Yes or no?

 

[mancitytmdanttom]

Nice reading guys, well played.

I'm not saying he's playing well, I'm not saying that he isn't shit, I'm saying that this laziness tag is unjust.

I'll tell you what, why don't you guys just make my argument for me, and argue against yourself, as that's what you currently seem to be doing.

Also, Ade has been picked twice this season, once against B'Pool, once in the UEFA Cup. That is a fact, not stretching anything, it's just how many times he started for us. He came on in 4 games.

Have you thought this could have something to do with how he looks in training ?

 

[Damocles]

Did Silva do this in his numerous appearances before he hit form?

Should we sell him and slag him off as lazy too?

What about Milner?

'Grabbing opportunities' is all well and good, but any single striker in the world will tell you that 2 starts and a couple of sub appearances in a season is absolutely not enough time to get into form, especially if they are stop-start as they have been with Ade.

-- Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:16 pm --



I don't even know what that means.

Why even mention Silva or Milner? What has it got to do with this thread? If you want to dissect their performance then do it in an appropriate thread... yes?

This thread is about Ade... and I've asked you as to what he contributes to the team... what he has shown this season to justify selecting him.

Yes, it's harsh that others are preferred in front of him, but that's football life at the higest levels. We can't carry passengers. Or do you think we should give Ade another half dozen games to make a judgement? And dramatically reduce the effectiveness of Tevez at the same time.

The manager has to make the call, and I think so far he has called it right. It's a shame you can't get behind the manager and support his decisions on Ade rather than choosing the player's interests over the interests of the manager.

Oh, and Silva did more in 20 minutes yesterday than Ade has all season. Yes or no?

I can only assume that you're reading my posts in order, and are always one behind what I post, as you're busy doing something else. Please check the last page.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Damocles i think you've lost the plot mate.The only evidence i require to justify my opinion about Adebayor is that in which i witness with my own eyes.

I have seen nothing to suggest the fella has the mentality and desire to be the very best,he is happy to settle for mediocracy,and that is simply not good enough.

The most aggravating and frustrating aspect of his makeup is the fact,hidden deep within,he has the ability and godgiven gift to be one of the games greats,i know this because,in very sporadic moments of genius,i have again witnessed it.

So to summarise,he has the ability,he has the physique,he has the opportunity,so why does he choose not to use them? The answer can only lie within his mind.

 

[Soulboy]

Why even mention Silva or Milner? What has it got to do with this thread? If you want to dissect their performance then do it in an appropriate thread... yes?

This thread is about Ade... and I've asked you as to what he contributes to the team... what he has shown this season to justify selecting him.

Yes, it's harsh that others are preferred in front of him, but that's football life at the higest levels. We can't carry passengers. Or do you think we should give Ade another half dozen games to make a judgement? And dramatically reduce the effectiveness of Tevez at the same time.

The manager has to make the call, and I think so far he has called it right. It's a shame you can't get behind the manager and support his decisions on Ade rather than choosing the player's interests over the interests of the manager.

Oh, and Silva did more in 20 minutes yesterday than Ade has all season. Yes or no?

I can only assume that you're reading my posts in order, and are always one behind what I post, as you're busy doing something else. Please check the last page.

Glad you answered my questions... it's as if you're struggling to come up with a decent defence other than accusing anyone of disagreeing with you of being a "fucking idiot".

You should be a mod with an attitude like that...

 

[Balti]

Damocles i think you've lost the plot mate.The only evidence i require to justify my opinion about Adebayor is that in which i witness with my own eyes.

I have seen nothing to suggest the fella has the mentality and desire to be the very best,he is happy to settle for mediocracy,and that is simply not good enough.

The most aggravating and frustrating aspect of his makeup is the fact,hidden deep within,is the ability and godgiven gift to be one of the games greats,i know this because,in very sporadic moments of genius,i have again witnessed it.

So to summarise,he has the ability,he has the physique,he has the opportunity,so why does he choose not to use them? The answer can only lie within his mind.

its not really surprising after the Togo bus shooting

not been the same since

 

[Soulboy]

Damocles i think you've lost the plot mate.The only evidence i require to justify my opinion about Adebayor is that in which i witness with my own eyes.

I have seen nothing to suggest the fella has the mentality and desire to be the very best,he is happy to settle for mediocracy,and that is simply not good enough.

The most aggravating and frustrating aspect of his makeup is the fact,hidden deep within,is the ability and godgiven gift to be one of the games greats,i know this because,in very sporadic moments of genius,i have again witnessed it.

So to summarise,he has the ability,he has the physique,he has the opportunity,so why does he choose not to use them? The answer can only lie within his mind.

its not really surprising after the Togo bus shooting

not been the same since

I agree with this. I think his problems are deeper than we originally hoped...

Football may no longer be the most important thing in the world now.

 

[FantasyIreland]

its not really surprising after the Togo bus shooting

not been the same since

I agree,such incidents will change a man,and i sympathise entirely with his experience,however,that doesn't explain his performances for Arsenal.

 

[YaYa]

He makes Benjani look like a master of the off side rule.

LOL, quality!!!

 

[Damocles]

Glad you answered my questions... it's as if you're struggling to come up with a decent defence other than accusing anyone of disagreeing with you of being a "fucking idiot".

You should be a mod with an attitude like that...

No, it's because I've already said that the stats blatantly disagree with the lazy tag. I don't feel the need to keep repeating this.

I've come to the conclusion that you don't even know what I'm arguing about, please re-read the second to last post I made.

Damocles i think you've lost the plot mate.The only evidence i require to justify my opinion about Adebayor is that in which i witness with my own eyes.

I have seen nothing to suggest the fella has the mentality and desire to be the very best,he is happy to settle for mediocracy,and that is simply not good enough.

That's lovely and everything, but your eyes aren't the overall judge of the abilities of a player. Due to this, we have to fall back on things like numbers, which are impartial.

Any chance that you'd like to state why he doesn't have the mentality or desire? Do you know him? Have you psychologically analysed him? Or, as usual, are we just picking something that is intangible and using that as a stick to beat him with?

Hughes bought him, and worked with him every day and played him all the time. Mancini gave him the number 9 and refused to sell him; another guy who worked with him every day. Shall we just ignore the opinions of these two respected professionals, because you've somehow formulated an opinion that he 'lacks desire'?

What exactly does a player with desire look like? Has De Jong got desire? What about Kompany? Adam Johnson? Tevez?

How are we benchmarking desire and mentality from the stands? Who has more desire out of Adebayor and Berbatov? Why have you chosen that one?

What do you have to do, or not do, to be given this tag of lacking desire?


So, so far we've had the argument that he lacks effort, which when it was pointed out that his distance covered is higher than most people in the squad, it then turned into he "doesn't try hard enough to keep the ball at his feet", which I'm still nonplussed at, and now it's that he lacks desire and mentality.

Adebayor doesn't deserve to wear the shirt. I completely disagree with FantasyIreland in that he could be a great of the game; I think that there are several massive holes in his game stemming from his lack of power and lack of control. However, I can back these things up, with video evidence, and those who disagree can also back their points up with video evidence. Same with the lazy tag, it can be solved by looking at the stats.

However, Adebayor is getting criticised for just invisible characteristics that no poster (unless they personally knew him) could possibly hope to judge. That's what my problem is. You are beating him with an invisible stick, and when you aren't, there seems to be very little that backs up your argument apart "I've SEEN it".