Which Bands Got Worse After Replacing An Original Member

[blueparrot]

Brave is the only album I've managed to enjoy after Fish left.
Marrilion became a completely different band.

I rank the fish era albums in reverse chronological order tbh. Clutching at straws is my fav, then Fugazi, then Misplaced childhood. Script is good but doesn't have the polish of the other 3

Seasons End is the only one I've liked and I've tried them all at least once. I do like the whole Fish catalogue though and there are some excellent albums in there.

 

[southamptonblue]

Seasons End is the only one I've liked and I've tried them all at least once. I do like the whole Fish catalogue though and there are some excellent albums in there.

I listened to Seasons End once, then binned it (Hooks in You the only song I 'half' like). Also found/find Fish solo dull as dishwater. Marillion & Fish both died when he left....what a waste ;(

 

[blueparrot]

I listened to Seasons End once, then binned it (Hooks in You the only song I 'half' like). Also found/find Fish solo dull as dishwater. Marillion & Fish both died when he left....what a waste ;(

Fair enough we all hear things differently, but I listen to a Fish solo much more than I go back to those first 4 Marillion albums. Hooks was a great AOR song, but hardly typical Marillion with or without Fish.

 

[southamptonblue]

Fair enough we all hear things differently, but I listen to a Fish solo much more than I go back to those first 4 Marillion albums. Hooks was a great AOR song, but hardly typical Marillion with or without Fish.

True......but nothing Marillion or Fish produced, were remotely 'typical' Marillion.

 

[axlgod]

I find that albums and bands I turned away from for changing band members in the past, as I get older I'm more open and chilled to listening to their stuff from that period. Sounds like the OP's taste is pretty similar to mine too!

Poison firing CC DeVille and replacing him with Richie Kotzen angered fans who just wanted more hair rock, yet there's little doubt that Kotzen was, and still is, an excellent guitarist who wrote some great stuff and on reflection that album has some good tracks. Just don't feel like Poison tracks.

Similar with Kiss. No Peter Criss or Ace Frehley for decades but for a long time my favourite era was with Bruce Kulick on the axe. Still love that MTV unplugged set though with them all coming out on stage.

Van Halen is one that has always divided fans. I prefer Roth but I wouldn't turn it off if a Hagar song came on. I did struggle with Gary Cherone going there though, especially as I was a huge Extreme fan so it was like ruining two bands in one swoop.

Aerosmith breaking up the toxic twins and replacing Joe Perry and Brad Whitford would have been huge, and whilst the album produced without them can be said to have no real standout tracks, it's doesn't have many bad ones either.

I wasn't too happy about Guns n Roses losing Izzy Stradlin, or taking on a keyboardist as a permanent member, but the Use Your Illusion albums turned out pretty good.

Have seen Skid Row a few times post Sebastian Bach and although they're still very good you're always going to think of the era and those songs as being the definitive.

Blackie Lawless and Chris Homes falling out was big too, what with Blackie even dropping the fake blood and guts props and doing a reborn Christian thing, but there were so many replacements that I'm just glad they finally found some stability and could knock a few more songs out. Even if he won't play certain animalistic ones any more

I know Hinder. They got selected via a rock talent show with Motley Crue as judges, or at least Nikki Sixx I think. Fantastic debut album, All American Nightmare was great, but I didn't listen to the others much thereafter though.

Speaking of the Crue, John Corabi didn't work out well and he was hardly given a fair crack, but even despite what happened with Vince Neil people still wanted that classic line up.

But, to bring it back full circle, now I'm middle ages myself I'm just happy to get to any gig nowadays, and much less bothered about whether it is the actual guys who lived and breathed the life playing the songs, if the effort to putting on a great show is there.

Izzy Stradlin played and co wrote on the Illusion albums.
He left November 1991 after the albums came out.
He was/is a huge loss.
For me personally, he is the unsung hero of Guns n’ Roses.

 

[blueparrot]

True......but nothing Marillion or Fish produced, were remotely 'typical' Marillion.

No they weren't and I think that's the point.When they parted ways the fact both sides went away from that sound suggests both sides felt those 4 albums took that 'Genesis' sound as far as they could and they needed a change of direction.
So probably even if they'd stayed together they wouldn't have producesd albums that were anything like those first 4 albums, as none of the 5 of them carried on writing in that style.

 

[Protein Junkie]

No they weren't and I think that's the point.When they parted ways the fact both sides went away from that sound suggests both sides felt those 4 albums took that 'Genesis' sound as far as they could and they needed a change of direction.
So probably even if they'd stayed together they wouldn't have producesd albums that were anything like those first 4 albums, as none of the 5 of them carried on writing in that style.

I remember when Marillion were being hailed as the second coming of progressive rock.
I went to see them a couple of times before they hit the big scene. I think Sounds and possibly Kerrang were championing them.
In all honesty I was never really convinced by them and only own the debut album.
Then they became famous. I have listened to Fish and Marillion since the split. The latter to me are boring.
But before then, the Cumbrian maestros It Bites came along and blew them out the Junkie waters.

 

[blueparrot]

I remember when Marillion were being hailed as the second coming of progressive rock.
I went to see them a couple of times before they hit the big scene. I think Sounds and possibly Kerrang were championing them.
In all honesty I was never really convinced by them and only own the debut album.
Then they became famous. I have listened to Fish and Marillion since the split. The latter to me are boring.
But before then, the Cumbrian maestros It Bites came along and blew them out the Junkie waters.

I like It Bites , butv also really like the John Mitchell later It Bite albums too. Yes every time I try later Marillion I sart off thinking I'm going to like it then lose interest.

 

[Protein Junkie]

I like It Bites , butv also really like the John Mitchell later It Bite albums too. Yes every time I try later Marillion I sart off thinking I'm going to like it then lose interest.

Absolutely agree there re It Bites. I listen to all five in rotation with OATW my ultimate favourite (Just).
I think JM said he found it difficult to keep writing IB style songs.
JM is in just about every prog group these days and his work on Frost’s “Life in the Wires” is epic.
Not heard the It Bites FD album though.

 

[the blue panther]

The Glenn Miller Band.

Reformed as The Band in the 70's, but sounded nothing like.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

The Glenn Miller Band.

Reformed as The Band in the 70's, but sounded nothing like.

I'd say it was the weight on them when Glen Miller left.
Up the crickle creek without a paddle.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

I listened to Seasons End once, then binned it (Hooks in You the only song I 'half' like). Also found/find Fish solo dull as dishwater. Marillion & Fish both died when he left....what a waste ;(

Just for you...

 

[bluetonium]

Izzy Stradlin played and co wrote on the Illusion albums.
He left November 1991 after the albums came out.
He was/is a huge loss.
For me personally, he is the unsung hero of Guns n’ Roses.

Agree completely. The riffs he came up with, and the way he had Slash compliment each other continually, were a huge factor in making not just great songs, but keeping each verse alive and interesting musically.

Built upon a lot of what Joe Perry and Brad Whitford were doing in Aerosmith, in my opinion, and developed a sound for a band with two guitarists which really fit the GnR 'dangerous' and 'sleazy' tags.

Find yourself in a band with that kind of understanding and the sound will be there. Just on the vocalist then to think of some words and make them sound pretty ;p

 

[city2]

INXS after Michael Hutchence

 

[SamTheGuru]

This is a funny thread because Mrs and I normally listen to Planet Rock when driving around.

Today; in the space of about 25 mins of driving to a dog paddock, we had:

- Iron Maiden (original vocals)
- Rainbow
- Deep Purple
- Lynyrd Skynyrd

What an absolutely cluster fuck of medley. And I mean in a good way!

I realise I didn't answer the question. But I suppose, how do you define an original member?

 

[Bill Walker]

I realise I didn't answer the question. But I suppose, how do you define an original member?

I always think of it as the original members when the band became professional.

 

[SamTheGuru]

I always think of it as the original members when the band became professional.

For example Sabbath went down hill after Ozzy left and Ronnie James Dio joined?

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

Love discussions about bands.
Cos it's all down to everyones opinion.
In my eyes oasis the Beatles and stone roses are the best bands ever..back on topic.
Take that went down hill when that prick Williams left