Which Bands Got Worse After Replacing An Original Member

[Resurrection Joe...]

Peter was an extremely gifted musician and like Syd Barrett he was bordering on being a kind of genius. Band leader, singer, lead guitarist and band songwriter. He created Fleetwood Mac.

He wrote several top 10 hits which is pretty unheard of from a Blues musician who is also a virtuoso on guitar.
Hits including Black Magic Woman, Albatross, Man Of The World, Oh Well and the fabulous Green Manalishi. A song about his own demons.

You can place the bad acid drop some time between 'man of the world and 'green manalishi with the two pronged crown'....it's almost like his head exploded.
the 'Oh well' riff was i think ...err 'paid homage to' by Led Zep on 'Black Dog'.
I have a couple of Tribute albums to compliment his original John Mayall / Mac stuff

 

[City Hobgoblin]

The Sex Pistols kicking out Glen Matlock - the bloke who wrote every tune - for the talentless cartoon junkie Sid Vicious

See post 2 in thread!

 

[Kippax77]

Peter was an extremely gifted musician and like Syd Barrett he was bordering on being a kind of genius. Band leader, singer, lead guitarist and band songwriter. He created Fleetwood Mac.

He wrote several top 10 hits which is pretty unheard of from a Blues musician who is also a virtuoso on guitar.
Hits including Black Magic Woman, Albatross, Man Of The World, Oh Well and the fabulous Green Manalishi. A song about his own demons.

Couldn't agree more.
He was levels ahead of most others of the time.
His brilliance is often overlooked when people mention Fleetwood Mac

 

[bennyboy]

The Sex Pistols kicking out Glen Matlock - the bloke who wrote every tune - for the talentless cartoon junkie Sid Vicious

Was it not McLaren that made all the ddcisions.

 

[Resurrection Joe...]

Couldn't agree more.
He was levels ahead of most others of the time.
His brilliance is often overlooked when people mention Fleetwood Mac

Plenty about Mac versions 1 and 2 on here, for me, the real power behing the throne was Christine McVie, who also pretty much spanned both eras, and was as much into her earlier blues as the later softer rock.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Was it not McLaren that made all the ddcisions.

Of course it was. In reality, they were no more than cheap knockoffs of The Monkees.

Great fun at the time though.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Plenty about Mac versions 1 and 2 on here, for me, the real power behing the throne was Christine McVie, who also pretty much spanned both eras, and was as much into her earlier blues as the later softer rock.

McVie is so underrated - the most talented member of Mac for me.

 

[bennyboy]

Of course it was. In reality, they were no more than cheap knockoffs of The Monkees.

Great fun at the time though.

Cheap knockoffs who made a classic album though that seemingly Vicious never played on.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

McVie is so underrated - the most talented member of Mac for me.

And in a curious twist of irony that is not irony at all, McVie's maiden name was Perfect - Christine Anne Perfect.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Cheap knockoffs who made a classic album though that seemingly Vicious never played on.

True. When I say 'cheap' I mean that McClaren created the Pistols on a very small budget compared to the fortune spent on The Monkees.

As for Sid Vicious, it could be argued that he never actually 'played' on anything. I doubt he could even hokd down a chord.

 

[Resurrection Joe...]

True. When I say 'cheap' I mean that McClaren created the Pistols on a very small budget compared to the fortune spent on The Monkees.

As for Sid Vicious, it could be argued that he never actually 'played' on anything. I doubt he could even hokd down a chord.

to be fair...chords are fkin 'ard on bass guitars...

 

[Barcon]

Aerosmith - after Tyler left.

The only song off of Night in the Ruts I liked was Remember - a cover song.

You mean joe Perry?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Was it not McLaren that made all the ddcisions.

In his version of events the whole thing was his creation!
Rotten didn’t see eye to eye with Glen, felt he was a bit posh and liked The Beatles. Rotten also felt he had no allies in or around the band - he wanted Sid in to provide that. The fact he couldn’t play an instrument didn’t seem to matter!

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

You mean joe Perry?

Yep.

 

[deano ou812]

Cheers - fun thread started with many different opinions...

Halen with Hagar was awesome. But I liked DLR as well.

Warrant sans Jani Lane is night and day. Lani was not only musically gifted - he was an extremely talented writer. Take for example Heaven's opening stanza...

"
Got a picture of your house
And you're standing by the door
It's black and white and faded
And it's looking pretty worn
See the factory that I worked
Silhouetted in the back
The memories are gray, but man, they're really coming back"

There's no fucking way in hell that I could write such concise, evocative prose. Jani was a genius.

If you think that the above was a one-off exception - well, google the lyrics for any popular Warrant song...
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And too, Jani's tunes were beyond my ability - although I can envision myself reworking a tune over and over to come up with something interesting.
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Many of my friends seem to ignore lyrics - going only by melody when judging a song. In this vein, maybe sans Jani Warrant was the same.

But for me, the lyrics really matter. If a band has a catchy tune, but the lyrics are inane, I simply cannot ever enjoy the tune, nor the band, with some exceptions... Led Zeppelin for example.

Altogether now “Heaven isn’t too far away”

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Altogether now “Heaven isn’t too far away”

Closer to it everyday.

 

[KS55]

Plenty about Mac versions 1 and 2 on here, for me, the real power behing the throne was Christine McVie, who also pretty much spanned both eras, and was as much into her earlier blues as the later softer rock.

She was a member of Chicken Shack for a while. A good blues band.

 

[Kippax77]

Plenty about Mac versions 1 and 2 on here, for me, the real power behing the throne was Christine McVie, who also pretty much spanned both eras, and was as much into her earlier blues as the later softer rock.

Fair point.
But admittedly I'm biased as my dad is a guitarist

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Oh no! So then are you saying early Genesis was incredible, TLLDOB sucked, PG’s solo records sucked, Genesis’s pop phase was awful or a combo of all of them? :)

Early Genesis (with Gabriel) are imperious. They were also pretty amazing until Hackett left. Went very downhill after that for me. The Lamb is an amazing album, and I recently went to watch Hackett play it.

The best Genesis was with Gabriel, no question for me.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

AC/DC
Iron Maiden
Queen

Are we talking Paul Di'Anno re: Iron Maiden?