Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[hilts]

I think most people on here recognise Johnson as a lying venal fraud and by extension the current government. You don’t have to be left leaning to think that, just not fucking stupid.

Correctomundo

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Whenever I suggest in my posts that the Politics Sub forum is left leaning I always get plenty quick to tell me that they are not left leaning.
There are 108 pages on this particular thread and having read each post at some stage I cannot find 1 post that has said anything positive about the Tories.
There has been one neutral post who has gone as far as to say Labour is just as bad.
I think we can agree that in 108 pages there are probably 50 different posters, yes ?
So that works out at 49 saying they are doing a very poor job and the 50th saying the two main Parties are as bad as each other, so he will either not vote or vote for one of the other parties.
So if it doesn't lean to the left, it must reflect reality and Public Opinion.
With such a massive majority 49/1, in my snap poll of the posters in this thread, the Tories will be lucky to hold on to their deposits never mind their seats, who ever they choose.
So you can all sit back, chill out, because come the next Election they are going to be obliterated.
Or have I got it wrong and if so, have you wondered why nobody ever comes on the Politics Sub forum to defend their record.

The large proportion of the forum I would imagine are Manchester and north west based which is traditionally Labour heartland. It’s no way a snapshot of public opinion in this country.

If you look at this current government, what is there to defend? They got the vaccine roll out underway before other countries and furlough protected peoples livelihoods. I think the civil service would have achieved this whoever was in power though. They like to talk about record low levels of unemployment, this is only due to labour shortages caused by brexit and not any boom in the economy.

Since World War Two every generation has seen their living standards rise compared to the generation before. Now we are at the point where it’s creaking backwards and getting worse. I don’t think the conservatives will get obliterated at the next election, the majority they have is huge and will take a never before seen swing in voting to make a dent in it. We are yet to see Labour put forward anything that would offer hope to any floating voters which would get their attention.

 

[meltonblue]

You have not really answered my question.
Do you think the politics sub forum fairly reflects public opinion

Depends. Proportionally of the entire voter base then no. I wouldn’t expect it to though as anyone posting in it you’d think would have a big interest in it and in that context, even most conservative political commentators are highly critical.

 

[hgblue]

Whenever I suggest in my posts that the Politics Sub forum is left leaning I always get plenty quick to tell me that they are not left leaning.
There are 108 pages on this particular thread and having read each post at some stage I cannot find 1 post that has said anything positive about the Tories.
There has been one neutral post who has gone as far as to say Labour is just as bad.
I think we can agree that in 108 pages there are probably 50 different posters, yes ?
So that works out at 49 saying they are doing a very poor job and the 50th saying the two main Parties are as bad as each other, so he will either not vote or vote for one of the other parties.
So if it doesn't lean to the left, it must reflect reality and Public Opinion.
With such a massive majority 49/1, in my snap poll of the posters in this thread, the Tories will be lucky to hold on to their deposits never mind their seats, who ever they choose.
So you can all sit back, chill out, because come the next Election they are going to be obliterated.
Or have I got it wrong and if so, have you wondered why nobody ever comes on the Politics Sub forum to defend their record.

I take it you missed my posts then ;). I'm the token Tory, but only post occasionally for the benefit of the small minority who have an open mind. The Forum is dominated by a handful of posters who agree with each other and spend their days howling at the moon down here. They're harmless enough though.

 

[BrianW]

I would class myself as moderate left. I am a realist and don't think this country will turn into a far-left set-up for a very long time, if ever. That's why I regard some 'dreams' of the far-left as wholly impractical. You have to work within what is a very unsatisfactory system.

Having said that, I can think of Tories in the past who were decent and honourable human beings. I even worked with some, including an ex-councillor. Their worldview was not the same as mine, but they were not fascists or swivels. There was a woman called Dame Kathleen Ollerenshaw - I think she is still alive, but very old - who did a very decent job as Chairman of the Manchester Education Committee back in the day. She was devoted to education, as such.

On the national stage, I believe I could even bring myself to vote for the likes of Harold Macmillan, or even John Major at a pinch. I loathed Thatcher, but she had principles; was honest - starkly so - and was sharply intelligent. I don't recall her breaking the law. In fact, she used to go on about the 'rule of law' a great deal.

You simply cannot compare these Tories of the past to the current shower of shit. They have stolen the brand, but are essentially UKIP. They are populists of the worst kind, who accept no law or constitutional restraint if it stops them from implementing whatever hare-brained scheme they have in mind. They are not Conservatives as that party was constituted - the Tory Party historically was wary of change and particularly with meddling with institutions. This lot are next door to anarchists. They are dangerous radicals. If I was a Tory I would not dream of voting for people who had brought my brand into such disrepute.

 

[west didsblue]

I would class myself as moderate left. I am a realist and don't think this country will turn into a far-left set-up for a very long time, if ever. That's why I regard some 'dreams' of the far-left as wholly impractical. You have to work within what is a very unsatisfactory system.

Having said that, I can think of Tories in the past who were decent and honourable human beings. I even worked with some, including an ex-councillor. Their worldview was not the same as mine, but they were not fascists or swivels. There was a woman called Dame Kathleen Ollerenshaw - I think she is still alive, but very old - who did a very decent job as Chairman of the Manchester Education Committee back in the day. She was devoted to education, as such.

On the national stage, I believe I could even bring myself to vote for the likes of Harold Macmillan, or even John Major at a pinch. I loathed Thatcher, but she had principles; was honest - starkly so - and was sharply intelligent. I don't recall her breaking the law. In fact, she used to go on about the 'rule of law' a great deal.

You simply cannot compare these Tories of the past to the current shower of shit. They have stolen the brand, but are essentially UKIP. They are populists of the worst kind, who accept no law or constitutional restraint if it stops them from implementing whatever hare-brained scheme they have in mind. They are not Conservatives as that party was constituted - the Tory Party historically was wary of change and particularly with meddling with institutions. This lot are next door to anarchists. They are dangerous radicals. If I was a Tory I would not dream of voting for people who had brought my brand into such disrepute.

I think that sums it up.
Too many people pay far too little attention to what’s going on and are taken in by sound bites, headlines in some news outlets and a PM who goes out of his way to pretend he’s a bit of a laugh. Marginal issues are blown out of all proportion because they resonate with people largely due to media propaganda, even though they’re not affected by them. I don’t see a way out of this mess.

 

[halfmist]

I think that sums it up.
Too many people pay far too little attention to what’s going on and are taken in by sound bites, headlines in some news outlets and a PM who goes out of his way to pretend he’s a bit of a laugh. Marginal issues are blown out of all proportion because they resonate with people largely due to media propaganda, even though they’re not affected by them. I don’t see a way out of this mess.

I have to agree there.
It is a mess
We also don't know what the next thing internationally is going to hit us.
I am worried that Truss is itching for a fight with Russia

 

[west didsblue]

I have to agree there.
It is a mess
We also don't know what the next thing internationally is going to hit us.
I am worried that Truss is itching for a fight with Russia

No need to worry about that.
Someone will just distract her with something shiny.

 

[waspish]

Notice in the media anyone who is a threat to Sunak they dig up the dirt kami be the next

 

[manchester blue]

Hi You have not really answered my question.
Do you think the politics sub forum fairly reflects public opinion

No it doesn’t. The trouble is it’s completely unmoderated and if anyone does say anything positive you get awful abuse which is not tolerated on other parts of the forum. So it probably reflects the view of the moderator.