Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[halfmist]

Don't give a shit

As in

So, by your own admission, it won’t reduce the backlog, it’ll just mean you’ll get treated quicker if you can pay.
And provided the operation is fairly simple.
How much extra are you prepared to pay to train those doctors and nurses, because the private sector don’t do any of that.

Also, I presume you know what happens if a patient in a private hospital gets into difficulty, such as having a cardiac arrest, some surgical complication or should need post operative critical care, save for a couple of private hospitals in London. Just in case you don’t, they’re blue lighted to the nearest NHS facility.
As for your last point, the dentistry debacle was entirely caused by it’s part privatisation and a national payment structure that doesn’t keep pace with current costs and technological advances.
As for doctors leaving the NHS, they’re entirely free to pack up and leave now.

Its and to argue with most of what you are saying but again not really the point I was making.
We are out to reduce waiting lists that are getting longer and longer
Nobody is arguing the N HS is not under funded, it will never have enough money.
The majority of operations it carries out are none life threatening.
My point is who puts principles ahead of treatment in all cases and on that basis there should be no private treatment.
If that’s someones beliefs fine but it’s going to make waiting lists longer and longer and but extra burdens on an already over stretched service
I totally agree we don’t train enough medical staff by the way.
When you consider the applications for medical schools far out number the amount of places available and they all have the necessary qualifications to study medicine it’s bordering on criminal.
But any Government would no doubt argue the University’s just don’t have the facilities to train more.

 

[Bigga]

Well hopefully Labour will get a chance of how they will fix things with a properly costed manifesto at the next election.
The problem at the moment is they spend to much time criticising the Tories and not enough time saying how they will fix things if and when they get in to Office.
The concern for those on the left is the Labour Party will be too frightened of the Electorate to propose anything radical.
At least we knew what we would have got under a Corbyn Government and we were left to make a choice.
Both parties will move towards the Centre come election time and it will be down to who gets trusted the most.

Fix things??

Labour helped create this current issue with the amount of useless middle management we're still stuck.

I've sat in meeting after meeting and watched management, maddeningly, pass the buck for pts 4 years on the WL.

 

[Bigga]

In 2020/2021 there were over 12600 claims against the NHS and over £2 billion paid out in compensation.
There is also a huge backlog in outstanding claims that have yet to be settled.
I didn’t say that private medicine would solve the problems, the question was would private medicine help reduce waiting lists and would it be allowed on moral grounds.
I am attempting to establish whether morals are put before treatment.

Have you ever thought part/ a lot of the problem is the understaffing of doctors, nurses and GPs?

 

[BobKowalski]

You see this is the problem.
“ you right wing loons smashing up the NHS”, “ fucking it up for the rest of us”, do you honestly debate with people face to face using that sort of speak.
It's little wonder your just left to discuss things amongst yourselves.

Yes.

 

[halfmist]

Why do you think the NHS has thousands of compensation claims and what do you propose that would reduce this?

A sensible question deserves a sensible answer.
I used to live next door to a couple of doctors , one who retrained as a medical barrister and earns over 7x what he earned as a GP. And he literally has work coming out of his ears.
It’s the compensation culture, no win no fee Society we now live in.
As the legal profession see it, the NHS is a a huge cash Cow that’s just waiting to be milked.
A lot of claims are just settled because the NHS hasn’t got the resources to fight them and bearing in mind the legal costs have to be paid they just give in too quickly.
Perhaps a minimum claim of £10,000 would stop some of the spurious claims that are made.

 

[Vic]

As in

Its and to argue with most of what you are saying but again not really the point I was making.
We are out to reduce waiting lists that are getting longer and longer
Nobody is arguing the N HS is not under funded, it will never have enough money.
The majority of operations it carries out are none life threatening.
My point is who puts principles ahead of treatment in all cases and on that basis there should be no private treatment.
If that’s someones beliefs fine but it’s going to make waiting lists longer and longer and but extra burdens on an already over stretched service
I totally agree we don’t train enough medical staff by the way.
When you consider the applications for medical schools far out number the amount of places available and they all have the necessary qualifications to study medicine it’s bordering on criminal.
But any Government would no doubt argue the University’s just don’t have the facilities to train more.

I think you mean your favourite government.

Perhaps the private hospitals could stump up the taxpayers' contribution to training the doctors and nurses they employ.

 

[Vic]

Fix things??

Labour helped create this current issue with the amount of useless middle management we're still stuck.

I've sat in meeting after meeting and watched management, maddeningly, pass the buck for pts 4 years on the WL.

Do you mean the middle managers the Tories paid off with redundancy money only to be reemployed as GP practice managers?

(Not that I have a clue what the last line means.)

 

[bluethrunthru]

There has been - rightly - questions about why these leadership debates are on the telly given the small pool of voters and I did wonder however these debates are doing a stellar job as it shows that none of those seeking to replace him are worthy of the post and are therefore doing us all a service for the next GE to decide who to vote for - somebody from the other two parties who wants to get stuff done or someone from this lot who is a Thatcher tribute act or someone who is more concerned who is having a piss and where.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Who's the woman in red in the line-up? She doesn't look like Margaret Thatcher.

 

[meltonblue]

It really does feel like a parody.

Who’s controlling Truss’s arms?