Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[Vic]

In the perfect world of course I would.
In the real world the NHS will never have enough money who ever is in power.
It’s not only about money, it needs root and branch reform.
With an ageing population and advances in medical science more and more pressure is going to be applied on the NHS going forward.
Out of interest, do your morals allow
1)private treatment
2)tax breaks on private health insurance if it reduced waiting’s lists
3)NHS to pay for treatment in private hospitals to reduce waiting lists
4) those with the ability to pay should be made to pay for NHS treatment.
5)partial privatisation based on 2-4 if it reduced waiting lists and improved services.

(1) yes. It's a free world
(2) it already gets tax breaks, but no
(3) it would have to be simple: too many cases where the NHS is putting right botched operations
(4) no
(5) no; they'd just cream off the profitable stuff
(6) private medicine won't solve the ageing population and medical advances problem

 

[BobKowalski]

In the perfect world of course I would.
In the real world the NHS will never have enough money who ever is in power.
It’s not only about money, it needs root and branch reform.
With an ageing population and advances in medical science more and more pressure is going to be applied on the NHS going forward.
Out of interest, do your morals allow
1)private treatment
2)tax breaks on private health insurance if it reduced waiting’s lists
3)NHS to pay for treatment in private hospitals to reduce waiting lists
4) those with the ability to pay should be made to pay for NHS treatment.
5)partial privatisation based on 2-4 if it reduced waiting lists and improved services.

No, it’s pretty much all about money. I have no idea why you right wing loons are obsessed with smashing up the NHS and fucking it up for the rest of us, but it is borderline psychotic.

 

[halfmist]

Who treats them?

Your not going to stop NHS consultants doing private work.
They would just go self employed and do subcontract work for the NHS to help clear the ensuing back log
You only need to look at the mess we ended up with in Dentistry to see you cannot control those at the top.
They will just refuse to do NHS work and then we would have chaos.

 

[halfmist]

(1) yes. It's a free world
(2) it already gets tax breaks, but no
(3) it would have to be simple: too many cases where the NHS is putting right botched operations
(4) no
(5) no; they'd just cream off the profitable stuff
(6) private medicine won't solve the ageing population and medical advances problem

(1) yes. It's a free world
(2) it already gets tax breaks, but no
(3) it would have to be simple: too many cases where the NHS is putting right botched operations
(4) no
(5) no; they'd just cream off the profitable stuff
(6) private medicine won't solve the ageing population and medical advances problem

In 2020/2021 there were over 12600 claims against the NHS and over £2 billion paid out in compensation.
There is also a huge backlog in outstanding claims that have yet to be settled.
I didn’t say that private medicine would solve the problems, the question was would private medicine help reduce waiting lists and would it be allowed on moral grounds.
I am attempting to establish whether morals are put before treatment.

 

[halfmist]

No, it’s pretty much all about money. I have no idea why you right wing loons are obsessed with smashing up the NHS and fucking it up for the rest of us, but it is borderline psychotic.

You see this is the problem.
“ you right wing loons smashing up the NHS”, “ fucking it up for the rest of us”, do you honestly debate with people face to face using that sort of speak.
It's little wonder your just left to discuss things amongst yourselves.

 

[Bigga]

What a disappointing thread.

I was gonna nominate Bigga but he's not among the choices.

2/10.

I, obviously, give you a hard on.

You're my new pet.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Your not going to stop NHS consultants doing private work.
They would just go self employed and do subcontract work for the NHS to help clear the ensuing back log
You only need to look at the mess we ended up with in Dentistry to see you cannot control those at the top.
They will just refuse to do NHS work and then we would have chaos.

So, by your own admission, it won’t reduce the backlog, it’ll just mean you’ll get treated quicker if you can pay.
And provided the operation is fairly simple.
How much extra are you prepared to pay to train those doctors and nurses, because the private sector don’t do any of that.

Also, I presume you know what happens if a patient in a private hospital gets into difficulty, such as having a cardiac arrest, some surgical complication or should need post operative critical care, save for a couple of private hospitals in London. Just in case you don’t, they’re blue lighted to the nearest NHS facility.
As for your last point, the dentistry debacle was entirely caused by it’s part privatisation and a national payment structure that doesn’t keep pace with current costs and technological advances.
As for doctors leaving the NHS, they’re entirely free to pack up and leave now.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

In 2020/2021 there were over 12600 claims against the NHS and over £2 billion paid out in compensation.
There is also a huge backlog in outstanding claims that have yet to be settled.
I didn’t say that private medicine would solve the problems, the question was would private medicine help reduce waiting lists and would it be allowed on moral grounds.
I am attempting to establish whether morals are put before treatment.

Why do you think the NHS has thousands of compensation claims and what do you propose that would reduce this?

 

[Bigga]

Not really answering the question.
I am aware of how things happen now, I was questioning whether your principles are put before attempts to reduce waiting times.
So you would rather patients go untreated than have patients who can afford to, make some sort of contribution.
That’s fine, but I don’t know how It helps the current predicament we are in

I work in the NHS.

Private Care IS being used to address waiting times due to the pandemic.

Put it this way, the NHS are funding taxis to and from the private institution in order to incentivise the patient and they've been using agency staff to action it. The majority of that agency staff have been poor, because you cannot teach 2 years of training for a couple of weeks before fuck ups start happening.

The NHS have thrown money at the issue, when the Gov could just hire more staff and pay better to sort this madness out.

It's an ever cycling issue at this point.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Don't give a shit

As long as they lose it doesn't matter. Just so long as they lose.