Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[bluethrunthru]

I reckon Truss wins then when push comes to shove say she can't do tax cuts because the economy has been trashed by the guy she just beat..... accept the inevitable and blame it on someone else

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Hilarious watching truss’s supporter on the BBC politics prog.
On her conversion to brexiteer from leaver and Tory from lib-dem we were informed that it was because she is a true democrat and not at all a political opportunist.
When asked about robotruss’s dazzling contributions to brexit we were offered the ‘great trade deals’ she has signed and bizarrely’freeports’.Since both of these have been thoroughly trashed it doesn’t leave a lot to shout about.
I thought it was a bizarre idea that the deposed liar would get behind her because he knows she will be a disaster and he can ride in on his white charger to save the nation at the last minute, but we live in a strange world where people like Johnson and truss are deemed fit to govern.

 

[Summerbuzz]

I saw Steve Baker MP on TV the other day, and he arrogantly said “British people overwhelmingly have Tory values, they just occasionally vote for a different party.”

As it stands, Baker's likely to lose his seat next time around. I imagine he and other ERG refugees are manouvering so a sizable right-wing sect can wield influence so he and others can get more comfortable consituencies.

But High Wycombe is Baker's local area. And it's right in the middle of Tory heartlands.

The tension is that the popularist RW Brexit slant will have worked for him and others all the way to this year. They drop that, some won't have the draw to hold onto their existing seats.

So all their is, is to keep pushing their RW cadre as the real Tory thing, and get better seats. Truss is their man because she's got little clout or ties that would see her stopping this happening.

IOW, she's backed by the recent influx who would lose their seat if a more moderate Tory party won the GE. They'd rather she lost and they had a shot at a different seat. Because if anyone with history and wider ties in the party came along, they're likely done. They want to keep pushing the populist choice as far as it can goes.

It's scary that even after Boris' dissolution of the moderate Tories, the party can dump more old heads and edge out moderates. But ...it's probably enough to lose them the election, because swathes of seats like High Wycombe will be vulnerable to tactical voting from the anyone but RW crowd.

This is what happens when the membership get their wishes. The party can't protect itself in an organised manner. What it needs to appeal to the mass, is a cute mix. Boris managed to smash that and profit, because Brexit was a perfect binary issue that was ripe for the plucking. The Lib Dems were at a massive low. And Labour hadn't protected itself. The next PM won't have that momentum.

 

[Gabriel]

As it stands, Baker's likely to lose his seat next time around. I imagine he and other ERG refugees are manouvering so a sizable right-wing sect can wield influence so he and others can get more comfortable consituencies.

But High Wycombe is Baker's local area. And it's right in the middle of Tory heartlands.

The tension is that the popularist RW Brexit slant will have worked for him and others all the way to this year. They drop that, some won't have the draw to hold onto their existing seats.

So all their is, is to keep pushing their RW cadre as the real Tory thing, and get better seats. Truss is their man because she's got little clout or ties that would see her stopping this happening.

IOW, she's backed by the recent influx who would lose their seat if a more moderate Tory party won the GE. They'd rather she lost and they had a shot at a different seat. Because if anyone with history and wider ties in the party came along, they're likely done. They want to keep pushing the populist choice as far as it can goes.

It's scary that even after Boris' dissolution of the moderate Tories, the party can dump more old heads and edge out moderates. But ...it's probably enough to lose them the election, because swathes of seats like High Wycombe will be vulnerable to tactical voting from the anyone but RW crowd.

This is what happens when the membership get their wishes. The party can't protect itself in an organised manner. What it needs to appeal to the mass, is a cute mix. Boris managed to smash that and profit, because Brexit was a perfect binary issue that was ripe for the plucking. The Lib Dems were at a massive low. And Labour hadn't protected itself. The next PM won't have that momentum.

Baker’s majority would have been threatened in the last two elections had there been effective tactical voting. The question for the next election will be how effective tactical voting can be. If the answer is ‘highly’, then the price the Conservatives pay for pandering to the right-wing will be equally high.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

As it stands, Baker's likely to lose his seat next time around. I imagine he and other ERG refugees are manouvering so a sizable right-wing sect can wield influence so he and others can get more comfortable consituencies.

But High Wycombe is Baker's local area. And it's right in the middle of Tory heartlands.

The tension is that the popularist RW Brexit slant will have worked for him and others all the way to this year. They drop that, some won't have the draw to hold onto their existing seats.

So all their is, is to keep pushing their RW cadre as the real Tory thing, and get better seats. Truss is their man because she's got little clout or ties that would see her stopping this happening.

IOW, she's backed by the recent influx who would lose their seat if a more moderate Tory party won the GE. They'd rather she lost and they had a shot at a different seat. Because if anyone with history and wider ties in the party came along, they're likely done. They want to keep pushing the populist choice as far as it can goes.

It's scary that even after Boris' dissolution of the moderate Tories, the party can dump more old heads and edge out moderates. But ...it's probably enough to lose them the election, because swathes of seats like High Wycombe will be vulnerable to tactical voting from the anyone but RW crowd.

This is what happens when the membership get their wishes. The party can't protect itself in an organised manner. What it needs to appeal to the mass, is a cute mix. Boris managed to smash that and profit, because Brexit was a perfect binary issue that was ripe for the plucking. The Lib Dems were at a massive low. And Labour hadn't protected itself. The next PM won't have that momentum.

The problems tories have in the real world are not reflected in the factions internally.

In reality the difficulty is how to please Northern red wall swing voters who liked brexit but now just see a failure to level up. They see zero gain from having the tories in power and with the NHS on its arse they are worried. Only more spending can solve this problem.

In tory heartlands the old blazer types are pleased with brexit etc but now that we are unshackled from the EU they dont understand why we dont have super low tax rates. They want thatcher style swinging cuts to allow for tax cuts.

These two different dynamics are not really being addressed. The heartlands are were the voters are so its all about tax.

 

[Shaelumstash]

As it stands, Baker's likely to lose his seat next time around. I imagine he and other ERG refugees are manouvering so a sizable right-wing sect can wield influence so he and others can get more comfortable consituencies.

But High Wycombe is Baker's local area. And it's right in the middle of Tory heartlands.

The tension is that the popularist RW Brexit slant will have worked for him and others all the way to this year. They drop that, some won't have the draw to hold onto their existing seats.

So all their is, is to keep pushing their RW cadre as the real Tory thing, and get better seats. Truss is their man because she's got little clout or ties that would see her stopping this happening.

IOW, she's backed by the recent influx who would lose their seat if a more moderate Tory party won the GE. They'd rather she lost and they had a shot at a different seat. Because if anyone with history and wider ties in the party came along, they're likely done. They want to keep pushing the populist choice as far as it can goes.

It's scary that even after Boris' dissolution of the moderate Tories, the party can dump more old heads and edge out moderates. But ...it's probably enough to lose them the election, because swathes of seats like High Wycombe will be vulnerable to tactical voting from the anyone but RW crowd.

This is what happens when the membership get their wishes. The party can't protect itself in an organised manner. What it needs to appeal to the mass, is a cute mix. Boris managed to smash that and profit, because Brexit was a perfect binary issue that was ripe for the plucking. The Lib Dems were at a massive low. And Labour hadn't protected itself. The next PM won't have that momentum.

Yeh, in fairness High Wycombe is the only place I’ve ever been and seen a “Lib Dem Social Club” so guessing they won’t vote for a RW PM.

Sunak is undoubtedly more capable and a safer pair of hands, and he’s undoubtedly more likely to do well in a GE.

But I think Truss will win, she’s what they want, rather than what they need.

This leadership election is like the Tories version of the race between the two Milibands. If they pick the one they want instead of the one they need, they could spend years out of office.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yeh, in fairness High Wycombe is the only place I’ve ever been and seen a “Lib Dem Social Club” so guessing they won’t vote for a RW PM.

Sunak is undoubtedly more capable and a safer pair of hands, and he’s undoubtedly more likely to do well in a GE.

But I think Truss will win, she’s what they want, rather than what they need.

This leadership election is like the Tories version of the race between the two Milibands. If they pick the one they want instead of the one they need, they could spend years out of office.

This is Bakers results as MP - seems to be on a steadily downward trajectory

https://members.parliament.uk/constituency/3870/election-history

 

[urban genie]

Toploader ffs


for that alone she doesn't deserve to govern

 

[mat]