Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Whoever it is will have a job to keep civil order.

 

[Gabriel]

Can we arrange them in order of uselessness?
Shapps would be spectacularly awful (he'd do what he's told though), Truss would be determined to make a legacy and would probably declare war on someone, anyone.
Tugendhat I know little of, but he's previously praised MBS at some point and is a Bilderberger, which I'd automatically think is a bad thing.
Hunt the party don't like.
Wallace hasn't said a lot, is a pretty good, down-to-earth Defence secretary, but would win by not being one of the others.
Javid wielded the knife, and is a banker, so the donors will like him. No idea what he stands for though.

That leaves the only person to get recent Royal approval - Paddington Bear.

So, if we whittle that list down, we’re probably left with Tugendhat and Wallace, with similarly rich pickings on the Brexiteer side.

Hallelujah for Paddington.

 

[lust overlord]

Whoever it is will have a job to keep civil order.

Can't be expecting French and German consumers to pick up some of the slack now can we.

 

[Coatigan]

There aren’t any. I said talentless.

I know, but you said being brexiteers limits it to talentless twats. Which suggests there are talented twats outwith that. Taking it for granted they are all twats regardless, obviously.

 

[Coatigan]

Why does it though, now Brexit is done?
All the current problems are rooted in narrowing the choices down to only one wing of the party, both for the leader and the cabinet. I can see why that position was deemed necessary in 2019 but now, when the county needs to find someone that can at least attempt to bring it more together, it seems foolish to be so arbitrary about this.
That notwithstanding, the choice of the next PM is going to be made by a few thousand elderly members of the Conservative party, so it will undoubtably be a prominent, very right wing, brexiteer who gets the job. Should solve everything…….

I think it would be unworkable and unsustainable having someone that was in favour of remain, running the country in the context of the immediate effects of Brexit, this soon after it being done.

The deals and aftermath are still falling into place, issues still being resolved. How does someone that was against that and saw the problems really deal with problems they deep down feel could have been avoided. How is that person trusted by those with brexit expectations, as giving conviction and fight for the promised outcome. How do the rest of the EU take them knowing they didn't want it themselves.

And way too soon to try 'rebuilding' bridges and shifting to any middle ground with the UK public, would just be seen as remoaners remoaning and excusist attempts at undermining what Brexit should be.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I think it would be unworkable and unsustainable having someone that was in favour of remain, running the country in the context of the immediate effects of Brexit, this soon after it being done.

The deals and aftermath are still falling into place, issues still being resolved. How does someone that was against that and saw the problems really deal with problems they deep down feel could have been avoided. How is that person trusted by those with brexit expectations, as giving conviction and fight for the promised outcome. How do the rest of the EU take them knowing they didn't want it themselves.

And way too soon to try 'rebuilding' bridges and shifting to any middle ground with the UK public, would just be seen as remoaners remoaning and excusist attempts at undermining what Brexit should be.

Even though more people actually voted for parties not in favour of Brexit, even in 2019?
Surely it’s now time to appoint the best man/woman for the job and for them to appoint the best people to crack on because, make no mistake, this country is close to being ruined for decades to come.

 

[Coatigan]

Even though more people actually voted for parties not in favour of Brexit, even in 2019?
Surely it’s now time to appoint the best man/woman for the job and for them to appoint the best people to crack on because, make no mistake, this country is close to being ruined for decades to come.

I wish.

I think you give us as the public way too much credit, and the media too much trust (not to shitstir).

While it would in theory no doubt be the best, I think anything other than a brexiteer would be just too toxic, too polarised, and ultimately unsustainable in the short term, this soon into the aftermath.

Just what I think, myself.

 

[Rascal]

Agreed so how much would you be willing to see your tax rate rise by? I would happily pay say 5% more if it was distributed well. I think the tax rate should be staggered more but there is an obsession with income tax in this country.

Any manifesto that mentions an increase sees people losing their minds.

Tax is thought of in terms on income tax. Income tax should be progressive as in the more you have the more that you pay either through income or wealth. When I started work I paid 33% tax on my income which i considered fair, under Thatcher that was dropped to 20%, it didn't make much material difference to me as I didn't earn that much but the optics are good if you are a believer in the RW ideology of a small state. Lowering taxes on those who earn most gives them a significant differential, one that arguably they do not need either as they are already well paid. The argument that those who earn most pay the highest percentage of the tax take so they should pay the same as everyone else as advocated by the flat tax rate mob would probably mean those with least facing tax rises to cover the loss of income in tax take from those with most. I see absolutely no problem with a graded income tax system where as the more you earn the more you pay, It is surely not above the wit of man to devise such a system especially with the new technology we have. For instance and this is just an example

earn up to £10k pay 10%
earn up to £20k pay 15%
earn up to £30k pay 20%
earn up to £40k pay 25%
earn up to £50k pay 30%

and so on until it reaches lets say 60% ...

The Tax that is a real bug bear for me is VAT, because that is regressive. It effects those who have the highest propensity to spend the most i.e the less well off. Cutting VAT now would be a real boon for those who are struggling with the cost of living and now we have left the EU we can do that.

Then there is corporation tax , that has to be overhauled and sorted out so that it is paid properly at a decent rate and not continually cut in a race to the bottom which only suits the corporations who take advantage of our infrastructure without giving anything back.

 

[Rascal]

It would take mouthwatering amounts to change the world to how the left want it to be.

Can you expand on why this would be the case giving examples and then I will debate them, as it stands you have made a statement devoid of fact.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Tax is thought of in terms on income tax. Income tax should be progressive as in the more you have the more that you pay either through income or wealth. When I started work I paid 33% tax on my income which i considered fair, under Thatcher that was dropped to 20%, it didn't make much material difference to me as I didn't earn that much but the optics are good if you are a believer in the RW ideology of a small state. Lowering taxes on those who earn most gives them a significant differential, one that arguably they do not need either as they are already well paid. The argument that those who earn most pay the highest percentage of the tax take so they should pay the same as everyone else as advocated by the flat tax rate mob would probably mean those with least facing tax rises to cover the loss of income in tax take from those with most. I see absolutely no problem with a graded income tax system where as the more you earn the more you pay, It is surely not above the wit of man to devise such a system especially with the new technology we have. For instance and this is just an example

earn up to £10k pay 10%
earn up to £20k pay 15%
earn up to £30k pay 20%
earn up to £40k pay 25%
earn up to £50k pay 30%

and so on until it reaches lets say 60% ...

The Tax that is a real bug bear for me is VAT, because that is regressive. It effects those who have the highest propensity to spend the most i.e the less well off. Cutting VAT now would be a real boon for those who are struggling with the cost of living and now we have left the EU we can do that.

Then there is corporation tax , that has to be overhauled and sorted out so that it is paid properly at a decent rate and not continually cut in a race to the bottom which only suits the corporations who take advantage of our infrastructure without giving anything back.

I thought the IFS report on the manifestos of 2019 was quite telling, as is the fact it’s never reported!

The Labour manifesto was described as introducing "enormous economic and social change", and increasing the role of the state to be bigger than anything in the last 40 years. The IFS highlighted a raft of changes in including free childcare, university, personal care and prescriptions, as well nationalisations, labour market regulations, increases in the minimum wage, and enforcing "effective ownership of 10% of large companies from current owners to a combination of employees and government". Labour's vision, the IFS said, "is of a state not so dissimilar to those seen in many other successful Western European economies" and presumed that the manifesto should be seen as "a long-term prospectus for change rather than a realistic deliverable plan for a five-year parliament". They said the Liberal Democrat manifesto is not as radical as the Labour manifesto but was a "decisive move away from the policies of the past decade".

Of course, this would also have enabled us to have a stake in the energy companies, like the French and I know their energy bills will be going up far less than ours.