Why are English managers so garbage?

[shemnel]

just a hangover of the 90s and 00s, English footballers were not 'intelligent' then, lots of passion and raw talent and so on, but the brain side never really got going, or particularly taught.

in the same way that English footballing talent is about to come to the fore for the rest of the 2020s, English managers will be coming from the players retiring in the last few years and next, 2030s for English managers i reckon.

 

[KS55]

Which current English players might make sophisticated managers?
Er…Bellingham? Rice?

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Exactly how it was in the 90s at school for me.

I remember playing for the school team and got a bollocking playing at centre half for passing across my box to my other centre half who was in space. I was told in no uncertain terms I was to launch into the channels for the wingers.

This then becomes ingrained in you that your role was to just get stuck in and stop the forwards and clear it. Not bring it out or move into space. So when you don’t have the ball you become static rather than constantly moving and creating passing angles for team mates.

Then they wonder why until now English players especially those further back were awful at passing, technique etc because you literally might have only had a few actual touches of the ball all game.

Lol...what you have posted is so true, I remember the same happening to myself at one point. Being told under no circumstances do you ever play the ball across the area to your team mate even if they were free

 

[Crooked_rain]

This^^ Even Steve McLaren looked good at FC Twente

He did a decent job at Boro to be fair. Won them the coca cola Cup, UEFA Cup Final and qualified for Europe a few times via the league

They went downhill when he left after the UEFA cup final ended up with Southgate who got them relegated and they're never really recovered.

His England tenure was a joke but I think the players of that generation were overhyped and barely wanted to play for England when they talk about it now.

But all in all I don't think Dutch Schteve was bad manager for a moment in time. He was never going to be an elite manager though

 

[Gazza]

Which current English players might make sophisticated managers?
Er…Bellingham? Rice?

I'm not sure either would, I'd already realised that Bellingham was a bellend and the more I see of Rice the more I see he's a dick-head.

 

[Gazza]

Lol...what you have posted is so true, I remember the same happening to myself at one point. Being told under no circumstances do you ever play the ball across the area to your team mate even if they were free

You got into the school team and instantly played a game that was completely alien to anything you'd played before.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Which current English players might make sophisticated managers?
Er…Bellingham? Rice?

tough one as we have such a young squad, so they need experience etc

Trippier
Konsa
Henderson
Rice
Kane

all got some leadership skills.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

All about winning knock downs and the second ball - with a big and a little striker !

'Give it to JJ' - BFS, any time between 2002 & 2006.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

To be fair I’d say a lot of English managers aren’t given a proper chance at all, especially at the big clubs. When they do get a chance as soon as they lose a few games they get sacked.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Not just managers how many British players go and play abroad?

There are quite a few now, but I’d say most English players would rather play in the premier league, which makes sense given the quality and wages on offer

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

I'm not sure either would, I'd already realised that Bellingham was a bellend and the more I see of Rice the more I see he's a dick-head.

Maddison would be a good manager I think, always comes across as sharp, confident and level headed. He's always fucking injured aswell so plenty of time to do his coaching badges!

 

[Gazza]

Maddison would be a good manager I think, always comes across as sharp, confident and level headed. He's always fucking injured aswell so plenty of time to do his coaching badges!

Bernardo too if he decides to follow that route.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Bernardo too if he decides to follow that route.

I don't really get the impression Bernardo will stay in the game once he retires. Ilkay, Rodri, Ruben were the 3 I could see becoming good coaches from our squad.

 

[Eebo]

One reason may be that apart from a few YouTube channels there is very little detailed analysis of tactics and formations etc in the British media.

They have weekly access to Pep and many of the other top managers in World football but all they ask is stupid questions trying to get something they can spin as 'controversial' for clickbait purposes. Or about the 115 charges or other negative stuff. I can imagine Pep would probably talk for hours on tactics and the theory of why he does things the way he does.

As a result there is not really a culture of detailed tactical knowledge or discussion of ideas in Britain for British managers to lean into or to be judged on.

To be honest I really have no idea whether the foreign press actually are any better or any more interested in tactics, but they can't be any less interested!

 

[better dead than red]

Manayers

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

 

[alexmcity]

Domestic football culture is obsessed with physicality and mentality at the expense of intelligence and technique. It's the opposite of the Michels-Cruyff-Pep school of thought.

 

[Stephen230]

It’s interesting that none of the recent English managers who’ve had a modicum of success in the Premier League, Hodgson, Potter, Howe, had much, if any of a playing career at the top level.

Maybe we will see what seems to be happening a bit more in the NFL, where you’re seeing relatively young men choosing a career in coaching as an alternative to playing, rather than the traditional path of going into it when their playing career is over?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I doont know if I have already replied to thhis but my impression is basically that we are stuck in the 90s. Our naational press rejects foriegn being better, Pep I think has proved them so wrong and they hate him for it. Once he is gone I think they hope it will go back to the old days again of kick and rush exciting football.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

One reason may be that apart from a few YouTube channels there is very little detailed analysis of tactics and formations etc in the British media.

They have weekly access to Pep and many of the other top managers in World football but all they ask is stupid questions trying to get something they can spin as 'controversial' for clickbait purposes. Or about the 115 charges or other negative stuff. I can imagine Pep would probably talk for hours on tactics and the theory of why he does things the way he does.

As a result there is not really a culture of detailed tactical knowledge or discussion of ideas in Britain for British managers to lean into or to be judged on.

To be honest I really have no idea whether the foreign press actually are any better or any more interested in tactics, but they can't be any less interested!

Spot-on. You can see how stupid many media organisations are by the way they consistently get the formations wrong when they show the team line-ups. Admittedly it is more complex with teams like City where formations switch so quickly within matches. The Man of the Match award is usually automatically given to the goalscorer by the TV pundits especially Stuart Pearce.