Why doesn't the bible mention dinosaurs?

[lloydie]

I'll say one thing.

A creator God figure DEFINITELY exists in current scientific theory. Not probably, not possibly, definitely.

The current idea of the creation of the Universe is centred around the notion of a multiverse; that is, an infinite amount of Universes where every possible event has occurred.

Due to this, there must be at least one Universe somewhere in which a creator God has existed, just as there must be a Universe where the simplest elements of creation are Uranium and Plutonium.

We just have to figure out if that Universe is ours :-)

This raises lots of questions for me and I admit to being lost so indulge me please.

Just because we can imagine a god does that mean god is possible?

Why does the multiverse mean that anything is possible rather than many things are possible?

Just because we can not fathom the rules of physics in a universe in which Uranium and Plutonium are the simplest elements that that is not impossible, but that does not mean or follow that anything we can imagine is possible.

Suppose I propose that there is a universe consisting entirely of Hydrogen with many forms of intelligent life, obviously not possible within our understanding but that universe has different laws of physics which allows it to be true?

You seem to be saying that the number of possible universes is infinite and that within one of the many universes there exists a creator god, does the number of universes have to be infinite? does every possibility have to be represented? Surely that universe's (the one with god in) existence is dependent on the existence of a multiverse in the first place? Or does god create the multiverse, and then step into one of the universes as a groovy place to hang out? Isn't the point of god that he is omnipresent? At the risk of raising that old chestnut, what came before god/who created god? If the answer is "god just is", then it's just as reasonable to suppose that "the multiverse just is" , as it is to suppose that "god just is"

 

[Fame Monster]

Does anyone know?

Can't be bothered reading the whole thread but there are those of us that believe the bible does mention dinosaurs...

The oldest book of the bible is Job, it is generally accepted that he lived before the flood.

15 “Look at the behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.

16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!

17 His tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.

19 He ranks first among the works of God,
yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.

20 The hills bring him their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.

21 Under the lotus plants he lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.

22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround him.

23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed;
he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth.

24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes,
or trap him and pierce his nose?

And

“Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down his tongue with a rope?

2 Can you put a cord through his nose
or pierce his jaw with a hook?

3 Will he keep begging you for mercy?
Will he speak to you with gentle words?

4 Will he make an agreement with you
for you to take him as your slave for life?

5 Can you make a pet of him like a bird
or put him on a leash for your girls?

6 Will traders barter for him?
Will they divide him up among the merchants?

7 Can you fill his hide with harpoons
or his head with fishing spears?

8 If you lay a hand on him,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!

9 Any hope of subduing him is false;
the mere sight of him is overpowering.

10 No one is fierce enough to rouse him.
Who then is able to stand against me?

Clearly describing two giant creatures, one of which lives in the sea, there is another part that talks about a giant creature breathing fire from his nostrils.

The fact that fossils of giant fish have been found on mountain sides suggest that the existence of dinosaurs and there subsequent destruction in the flood as described in the bible could in fact be true.

What flood is this?

 

[philinho]

Can't be bothered reading the whole thread but there are those of us that believe the bible does mention dinosaurs...

The oldest book of the bible is Job, it is generally accepted that he lived before the flood.



And



Clearly describing two giant creatures, one of which lives in the sea, there is another part that talks about a giant creature breathing fire from his nostrils.

The fact that fossils of giant fish have been found on mountain sides suggest that the existence of dinosaurs and there subsequent destruction in the flood as described in the bible could in fact be true.

What flood is this?

Noah's ark and the flood from Genesis 6, also I understand that there's plenty of scientific evidence that this occurred too, the fossils thing being just one, I'm no expert though...

 

[Fame Monster]

What flood is this?

Noah's ark and the flood from Genesis 6, also I understand that there's plenty of scientific evidence that this occurred too, the fossils thing being just one, I'm no expert though...

There's a documentary called 'Did Darwin Kill God?' available online.

The narrator is a theist but believes/hopes that Darwinism and Religion can co-exist. In the programme, though, he admits he has concerns of those believers who manipulate and corrupt science in order to fit genesis. He finds that a priest has used this trick to corroborate the genesis myth and is highly critical, putting forward that delusions like that demean religion.

 

[philinho]

Noah's ark and the flood from Genesis 6, also I understand that there's plenty of scientific evidence that this occurred too, the fossils thing being just one, I'm no expert though...

There's a documentary called 'Did Darwin Kill God?' available online.

The narrator is a theist but believes/hopes that Darwinism and Religion can co-exist. In the programme, though, he admits he has concerns of those believers who manipulate and corrupt science in order to fit genesis. He finds that a priest has used this trick to corroborate the genesis myth and is highly critical, putting forward that delusions like that demean religion.

And herein lies the problem... at the end of the day it boils down to he said, she said... for every person who said something, you could find someone else that says the exact opposite.

This is why these kinds of threads are frustrating, someone who presumably has never read the bible will make a statement like it doesn't mention dinosaurs, then people will crack 14 pages of jokes and the discussion is lost.

This is not a complaint at you specifically, I'm just as bad but I believe I've had and continue to have a personal experience of God and have seen many miracles, all of which could be explained away I'm sure but to me, I am convinced that God exists and that He loves each and every person. Plenty of other people would disagree...

One thing I would say though is that the Church through the ages has done God a huge disservice by performing despicable acts that I'm sure even God is ashamed of. When I was beginning in my faith and even before then I found that I had to look past the church to see what God was really like since church is filled with flawed people...

The point being, that the church going on crusades does not mean that God condones or initiates such acts, I could spend all day saying I'm a hamburger, but I wouldn't actually be a hamburger... I'm sure many muslims would say the same...

Just noticed I type ... all over the place!

 

[Damocles]

The fact that fossils of giant fish have been found on mountain sides suggest that the existence of dinosaurs and there subsequent destruction in the flood as described in the bible could in fact be true.

I have no clue how this conclusion can be reached.

Isn't there 450 billion possible reasons for this, and you are quoting the 173,857,643,216th most likely reason?

 

[philinho]

The fact that fossils of giant fish have been found on mountain sides suggest that the existence of dinosaurs and there subsequent destruction in the flood as described in the bible could in fact be true.

I have no clue how this conclusion can be reached.

Isn't there 450 billion possible reasons for this, and you are quoting the 173,857,643,216th most likely reason?

Probably, but aren't you doing the same with the multiverse theory?

I'm just stating what I believe, that's why I used the term could, rather than is.

 

[Fame Monster]

There's a documentary called 'Did Darwin Kill God?' available online.

The narrator is a theist but believes/hopes that Darwinism and Religion can co-exist. In the programme, though, he admits he has concerns of those believers who manipulate and corrupt science in order to fit genesis. He finds that a priest has used this trick to corroborate the genesis myth and is highly critical, putting forward that delusions like that demean religion.

And herein lies the problem... at the end of the day it boils down to he said, she said... for every person who said something, you could find someone else that says the exact opposite.

This is why these kinds of threads are frustrating, someone who presumably has never read the bible will make a statement like it doesn't mention dinosaurs, then people will crack 14 pages of jokes and the discussion is lost.

This is not a complaint at you specifically, I'm just as bad but I believe I've had and continue to have a personal experience of God and have seen many miracles, all of which could be explained away I'm sure but to me, I am convinced that God exists and that He loves each and every person. Plenty of other people would disagree...

One thing I would say though is that the Church through the ages has done God a huge disservice by performing despicable acts that I'm sure even God is ashamed of. When I was beginning in my faith and even before then I found that I had to look past the church to see what God was really like since church is filled with flawed people...

The point being, that the church going on crusades does not mean that God condones or initiates such acts, I could spend all day saying I'm a hamburger, but I wouldn't actually be a hamburger... I'm sure many muslims would say the same...

Just noticed I type ... all over the place!

That's fair enough but the spiritual realm and the real world are different things. Religion should not compete with science.

 

[philinho]

And herein lies the problem... at the end of the day it boils down to he said, she said... for every person who said something, you could find someone else that says the exact opposite.

This is why these kinds of threads are frustrating, someone who presumably has never read the bible will make a statement like it doesn't mention dinosaurs, then people will crack 14 pages of jokes and the discussion is lost.

This is not a complaint at you specifically, I'm just as bad but I believe I've had and continue to have a personal experience of God and have seen many miracles, all of which could be explained away I'm sure but to me, I am convinced that God exists and that He loves each and every person. Plenty of other people would disagree...

One thing I would say though is that the Church through the ages has done God a huge disservice by performing despicable acts that I'm sure even God is ashamed of. When I was beginning in my faith and even before then I found that I had to look past the church to see what God was really like since church is filled with flawed people...

The point being, that the church going on crusades does not mean that God condones or initiates such acts, I could spend all day saying I'm a hamburger, but I wouldn't actually be a hamburger... I'm sure many muslims would say the same...

Just noticed I type ... all over the place!

That's fair enough but the spiritual realm and the real world are different things. Religion should not compete with science.

I agree that there is no need for there to be competition, but it seems to me there is a much stronger drive within science to disprove God, than there is amongst Christians to disprove science.

I agree with you that the spiritual realm and physical realm are different but they certainly have impact on each other and therefore cannot be considered completely independently in my opinion.

 

[Damocles]

I have no clue how this conclusion can be reached.

Isn't there 450 billion possible reasons for this, and you are quoting the 173,857,643,216th most likely reason?

Probably, but aren't you doing the same with the multiverse theory?

I'm just stating what I believe, that's why I used the term could, rather than is.

No, I'm stating the generally accepted scientific consensus of the state of existence, backed up by data from empirical and observational sources, tested through experimentation by many different, objective people.

It isn't the same thing at all.