Why Moyes & Everton have us over a barrel...

[Cambridgeblue]

I've got a theory why Everton have us over a barrel with regard to Lescott and can hold out for as much money as they want or just kill the thing altogether...

It's all to do with the world cup - Everton cannot be forced to sell (unless Lescott has a buyout clause and since we've heard nothing about it then it must either be too high or non existant) now normally if a player is desperate to leave and makes that clear to the club then they will sell because they don't want a sulky player who won't give their best.

Unfortunately for us there is no way Lescott would throw a wobbly in a world cup year... if he stays at Everton he will work his nuts off so that he stays in the England team. Moyes and Everton know this and so they know that they can keep him for another season without any difficulties whatsoever, by which time we'll have moved on to another of our targets.

P.S. Mods this is a Moyes thread more than a Lescott thread so if you could refrain from merging it in with the unwieldy Lescott (Merged) thread where it will just get buried then I would be very greatful.

 

[Dubai Blue]

The reason they have us over a barrel is that we desperately need and want a player of theirs that is currently under contract.

I don't think it's any more complex than that to be honest.

 

[Dancini]

The reason they have us over a barrel is that we desperately need and want a player of theirs that is currently under contract.

I don't think it's any more complex than that to be honest.

But this guy has a point, normally Moyes would be thinking, what if they walk away now. We have a sulky player who will be worth half this in a year, but the WC changes that so the only options are we buy him or they keep him and he plays to the best of his abilities.

 

[bluemoon32]

Good luck to them, if they refuse to sell a player for ridiculous money then good for them, i wish we'd had their balls in the past.

 

[nmc]

Fending off a transfer doesn't always work. Look at Milan £100m at Christmas for Kaka - sold for less than £60m a few months later. Lescott will move on in the next 12 months maybe not for us but he will move on - and Everton may get £25m but they may end up taking £15m when the World Cup is over.

 

[BLOOMUEN]

I can see that's how Moyes would present it to Lescott. However, the theory relies on Lesott playing the game - which I think he will! However, if he didn't play ball, in spite of his posturing, would Moyes really want him around the dressing room. And the reports that he'd let him rot in the reserves? - Everton can't afford that!

I see the problem in securing Lescott as two-fold:

Lescott needs to bothered enough to go public and call Moyes' bluff (maybe this isn't the dream move that he would risk all for?)

City need to make a more realistic offer (they no we want him badly and that we are loaded!)

 

[sam221985]

The reason they have us over a barrel is that we desperately need and want a player of theirs that is currently under contract.

I don't think it's any more complex than that to be honest.

Mark Hughes perceives that we desperately need him, many would disagree.

we desperately need some more quality defensive options but the single-minded obsession with that being Lescott is something I can't get my head around.

 

[bluemoon32]

The reason they have us over a barrel is that we desperately need and want a player of theirs that is currently under contract.

I don't think it's any more complex than that to be honest.

Mark Hughes perceives that we desperately need him, many would disagree.

we desperately need some more quality defensive options but the single-minded obsession with that being Lescott is something I can't get my head around.

Same here, good enough player but he isn't anything special as a defender.

 

[Cambridgeblue]

The reason they have us over a barrel is that we desperately need and want a player of theirs that is currently under contract.

I don't think it's any more complex than that to be honest.

Ordinarily it would be simple... generally these things resolve themselves pretty quickly and both clubs come to a compromise on the fee.

It's normally a win win, the buying club gets the player they want, the selling club gets a decent chunk of cash and the player gets his move. Yes they are under contract and clubs don't have to sell but they generally don't want an unsettled and potentially disruptive player in the dressing room. Most clubs can't afford to let the player rot in the reserves either.

The world cup DOES change things, especially for the likes of Lescott who is up against players like Terry, Ferdinand and Cole for a squad place. I honestly believe that if it weren't for the WC Lescott would be a City player already for about £18m.

 

[rodders]

Here's another theory re the influence of the world cup.

Let's suggest that we set the prem on fire and have a great season and push the top teams all the way to the wire. Not guaranteed but it's a real possibilty if everyone clicks. If Lescott was playing for us and we finished in the top4 it would instantly raise his prospects of being a serious option for defence in the world cup. I'm sure this will have crossed his mind at some point.

On the flip side the same could be said for Upson ( if he's a serious alternative ) as he and Lescott are next in line behind wobble gob and Terry in Englands back 4.

Whichever defender we eventually sign they will have increased exposure ( just like the rest of our signings ) because of the position in which we find ourselves. All eyes will be on us and whoever performs, or falters will recieve much more attention in general than when we were just another team battling for europa or mid table mediocrity.