Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[Didsbury Dave]

All this points trajectory stuff is not the important thing. What matters is that we are not playing well enough, often enough. If we keep playing like this we won't win the league.


If you watch us every week you'll see that clearly.

It's something I've been doing since the start of the year, it's a good guide for me and I don't know why anyone needs to be offended by that. I didn't overreact when we were ahead of our like for like results and United were behind, I won't over react now it's gone the other way. And for me, so long as we can keep on that trajectory I'm not going to write off the season.

As for playing well I do think it has been overblown a bit. Are we playing worse than we did mid last season? 32 points from 16 games we got from Liverpool to Swansea last season compared to 33 from our first 16 this season. Sure we've got to improve but I just don't think we're doing as bad as is being made out. Remember we've just come off a run of 10 games averaging 2.4 points a game, thats going to win the league 9 times out of 10 but if you listen to people you wouldn't think that.

-- Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:59 am --

but we will have to contend with that every season because our european ranking is not high enough to warrant a weaker group.

We could be in pot 4 for a century and I'd bet we wouldn't get a tougher group than this season. Doesn't excuse the performances but thought it worth pointing out.

I'm certainly not writing off the season either. The ray of light is that we can play a whole lot better than we are doing, and 'm not sure United can. What we desperately need is a long winning run.

But we have certainly been extremely patchy all season. We just don't look right in many ways. We can't settle on a striking partnership. Our midfield hasn't been right all year. We've made defensive errors. We aren't getting the passing game going.Worst of all, and as a direct symptom of this, we are not winning games against better sides.

Unless things change we will fall well short of the pace, and it could happen quickly. That's the problem.

 

[flb]

What pisses me off is we perform better in the second half almost every game for as long as i can remember, has anybody any thoughts on this as im fucked if i can put my finger on it.

Four games spring to mind recently at home-Spurs,Ajax,Madrid and the United game.


Is Mancini giving out awe inspiring team talks at half time or are the players just flicking a switch as and when they feel like it?

 

[moomba]

I'm certainly not writing off the season either. The ray of light is that we can play a whole lot better than we are doing, and 'm not sure United can. What we desperately need is a long winning run.

But we have certainly been extremely patchy all season. We just don't look right in many ways. We can't settle on a striking partnership. Our midfield hasn't been right all year. We've made defensive errors. We aren't getting the passing game going.Worst of all, and as a direct symptom of this, we are not winning games against better sides.

Unless things change we will fall well short of the pace, and it could happen quickly. That's the problem.

For me if we can get the strikers playing like they did last season things would start to look a lot better. Not sure of the exact stats but have seen a few in recent weeks and there is a big difference between this season and last. Sergio not fit? Dzeko better off the bench? Tevez more a play maker than a scorer at the moment? Mario struggling? If we can get that sorted, start scoring the odd early goal thats when you'll see a return to a more dominant style of play.<br /><br />-- Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:16 pm --<br /><br />

What pisses me off is we perform better in the second half almost every game for as long as i can remember, has anybody any thoughts on this as im fucked if i can put my finger on it.

Four games spring to mind recently at home-Spurs,Ajax,Madrid and the United game.


Is Mancini giving out awe inspiring team talks at half time or are the players just flicking a switch as and when they feel like it?

I thought one of the things we did last season was wear out teams by keeping the ball, passing it around and making them run. Second half when they were more tired thats when more mistakes would be made and more gaps in defence which we exploited. From memory the bulk of our goals last season were scored in the second half as well.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

What pisses me off is we perform better in the second half almost every game for as long as i can remember, has anybody any thoughts on this as im fucked if i can put my finger on it.

Four games spring to mind recently at home-Spurs,Ajax,Madrid and the United game.


Is Mancini giving out awe inspiring team talks at half time or are the players just flicking a switch as and when they feel like it?

Because we are not playing well or at a high enough tempo. We aren't dominating midfield and we aren't passing with fluidity and momentum. Most of the time we are playing teams who are inferior, so we end up stepping up the pressure once we are behind and our ability then shows.

What you will notice is that we often have a good ten or 15 minutes when we come out of the blocks at the beginning of, but then we sometimes get a touch exasperated and start passing less incisively. The opposition get organised and we get stuck in that "play it sideways" rut.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

All this points trajectory stuff is not the important thing. What matters is that we are not playing well enough, often enough. If we keep playing like this we won't win the league.


If you watch us every week you'll see that clearly.

It's something I've been doing since the start of the year, it's a good guide for me and I don't know why anyone needs to be offended by that. I didn't overreact when we were ahead of our like for like results and United were behind, I won't over react now it's gone the other way. And for me, so long as we can keep on that trajectory I'm not going to write off the season.

As for playing well I do think it has been overblown a bit. Are we playing worse than we did mid last season? 32 points from 16 games we got from Liverpool to Swansea last season compared to 33 from our first 16 this season. Sure we've got to improve but I just don't think we're doing as bad as is being made out. Remember we've just come off a run of 10 games averaging 2.4 points a game, thats going to win the league 9 times out of 10 but if you listen to people you wouldn't think that.

-- Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:59 am --

but we will have to contend with that every season because our european ranking is not high enough to warrant a weaker group.

We could be in pot 4 for a century and I'd bet we wouldn't get a tougher group than this season. Doesn't excuse the performances but thought it worth pointing out.

I'm certainly not writing off the season either. The ray of light is that we can play a whole lot better than we are doing, and 'm not sure United can. What we desperately need is a long winning run.

But we have certainly been extremely patchy all season. We just don't look right in many ways. We can't settle on a striking partnership. Our midfield hasn't been right all year. We've made defensive errors. We aren't getting the passing game going.Worst of all, and as a direct symptom of this, we are not winning games against better sides.

Unless things change we will fall well short of the pace, and it could happen quickly. That's the problem.

We will have to see what the response of the players will be in the next few games, The January window is going to be a big statement for our club as well. If as the summer showed that we do not get any of Bobby's main targets then for me the writing is on the wall.

Begiristein was recruited in Barca by Soriano in order to trim the the barca squad and prepare it for Guardiola's arrival so that he had a close group of players. IMO i cannot see Soriano & Tixi letting the opportunity to bring in Pep go by and him join another club.

Yes there is no guarantee that pep will be coming to to our club, and he could join another, but that is not to say we won't try and recruit him.

 

[Tevez City]

Remember when we always changed our manager .... we won nothing.

In Mancini I trust!

When we had no money,we won nothing.......

In Mancini I'm concerned

Exaclty

Mansour had invested half billion pound on transfer fees only, never mind wages and I think with this investment many managers can achieve more than Mancini.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

DD makes a really good point about us not winning games against the so called better sides.

Clearly all of the CL group teams are better than the likes of Wigan/Villa/Sunderland etc....

In the prem we have also now played Rags, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and Spurs (All sides I would regard as consistently decent and top 6/7 material)

That is 12 games against decent sides.

We have won ONE.

That is a major problem and one that we need to completely change in the next 22 games.

We must now win our next 5 games in my opinion to build the pressure back up.

Newcastle A
Reading H
Sunderland A
Norwich A
Stoke H

Play like we did for 20 mins in the 2nd half against rags and we can win all of them.

Play like we did against Swansea/Everton/West Ham/Chelsea 2nd half and we wont.

Its shit or bust now, no pissing about. The unbeaten run is over, its time to start showing teams who the champions are and why we are the champions. Draws are no longer acceptable results.
If we are drawing with 15 mins to go then we go for it, not almost accept the draw like we did against Everton, Chelsea and West Ham.

For that to happen Mancini needs to change his mindset and throw caution to the wind. Even if we win the odd game 3-2. Quality will prevail 9 times out of 10 if you are willing to take the risk.

Our defensive frailities at the start of the season seemed to make him go more negative and it has cost us with these draws. 6 Draws is the same as 2 wins and 4 losses bar the loss of goal difference. The rags have drawn NONE and thats why they currently sit 6 points clear.

Now is the time for Mancini to really show why he is the best man for the job.

 

[flb]

What pisses me off is we perform better in the second half almost every game for as long as i can remember, has anybody any thoughts on this as im fucked if i can put my finger on it.

Four games spring to mind recently at home-Spurs,Ajax,Madrid and the United game.


Is Mancini giving out awe inspiring team talks at half time or are the players just flicking a switch as and when they feel like it?

Because we are not playing well or at a high enough tempo. We aren't dominating midfield and we aren't passing with fluidity and momentum. Most of the time we are playing teams who are inferior, so we end up stepping up the pressure once we are behind and our ability then shows.

What you will notice is that we often have a good ten or 15 minutes when we come out of the blocks at the beginning of, but then we sometimes get a touch exasperated and start passing less incisively. The opposition get organised and we get stuck in that "play it sideways" rut.

So why can we play with a higher tempo in the second half and not the first, its no coincidence most of the goals are scored in the second half, is Mancini some sort of genuis that we are not giving him credit for?

 

[jollylescott]

What pisses me off is we perform better in the second half almost every game for as long as i can remember, has anybody any thoughts on this as im fucked if i can put my finger on it.

Four games spring to mind recently at home-Spurs,Ajax,Madrid and the United game.


Is Mancini giving out awe inspiring team talks at half time or are the players just flicking a switch as and when they feel like it?

Because we are not playing well or at a high enough tempo. We aren't dominating midfield and we aren't passing with fluidity and momentum. Most of the time we are playing teams who are inferior, so we end up stepping up the pressure once we are behind and our ability then shows.

What you will notice is that we often have a good ten or 15 minutes when we come out of the blocks at the beginning of, but then we sometimes get a touch exasperated and start passing less incisively. The opposition get organised and we get stuck in that "play it sideways" rut.

There has been the occasional game where we have started quickly, but the stats for this season are quite revealing. We have scored the grand total of 2 goals in the first 30 minutes of our games this season. From 30 minutes to half time we have scored another 6 goals. Our remaining 22 have been in the second half, often when we are chasing games.

In my view our snail-like tempo in th first half of games is unlike any top European team that I have seen. I believe that this is being exposed in Europe. The Dortmund game was the best example of this.

We need to address urgently the disparity between our displays in the first and second halves.

Come on Roberto. Up the tempo!

 

[welsh_andy]

have a lot to thank him for pl,fa cup i dont count cs tbh, but unless things change i believe hes a dead man walking, as mansour wont want a trophyless season. i wouldnt be suprised if talks were underway already to replace bobby.
sumit just isnt right, certain players arent putting in a shift, transfer dealings were a complete balls up, but thats marwood for you im guessing.