Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[The Future's Blue]

And you seem incapable of taking the blue-tinted specs off.

By the way, where on earth have I been praising the rags? I loathe them. But unfortunately history shows us that normally and very very irritatingly, they deliver the goods. Last year's finale would not have been so spectacular if they normally fuck up. Normally, they don't.

Typical!

 

[Anonymous]

Of course we are not out of the league (yet), I agree.

But to be fair, last year's situation was not something to be relied upon. I don't see the rags making the same mistake twice. The Everton 4-4 was a freaky result (not least in that Moyes didn't just hand over the points as per normal). The Wigan result arguably even more freaky.

And then yes it was 8 points, but realistically more like 5 when you consider they had to come to us and we were playing damned well by then and our place is a fortress.

If we go to -9 after this weekend, that will be an enormous hill to climb to overhaul them. Just think about that: They would have to drop 10 points *more* than we drop, and we have to go to the swamp as well.

Lose on Saturday and the season is lost, imho.

For someone with 4800 posts on a City forum, you don't half seem to spend a lot of time defending the rags.

And you seem incapable of taking the blue-tinted specs off.

By the way, where on earth have I been praising the rags? I loathe them. But unfortunately history shows us that normally and very very irritatingly, they deliver the goods. Last year's finale would not have been so spectacular if they normally fuck up. Normally, they don't.

Didn't say you have been praising them, said you were defending them - and again in the above post ;-)

You've also missed a significant chunk of what I posted.

The fact of the matter is their most recent season bore 0 trophies. This season has seen their defence ship 23 goals in 16 league games, 5 goals in their 2 League Cup games and 5 goals in 5 Champions League games.

Compare that to the freaky results in April/May when they conceded just 6 goals in 8 games and that suggests to me (as we all know) their defence has significant problems.

Whilst they are still in the Champions League, FA Cup and the hunt for the League, they need to improve their defence. Can they afford to buy anyone? I don't know their finances so couldn't say for certain, but I imagine, following the Van Persie purchase (£65m deal - £24m purchase + £10.4m wages p.a. over 4 years) the strings may be pulled a little tighter.

They point to the loss of Vidic, but he has been out for something like 12 months; so, is their manager a fool for not buying cover/replacement of sufficient quality? Will Vidic still be of the same quality given the lenght of the lay off? Will it cost them in the long run - as said, they have 3 fronts on which to fight; do they fuck one/two battles off and put their eggs in one basket? If they do that which will it be?

This historically being stronger, coming good overall etc hasn't been the case for over 12 months. That kind of shit gets into the psyche and causes doubts. The piss can seems to have taken the Keegan approach (you score 3, we'll score 4) and that is just not sustainable.

There will be alarm bells ringing over there, just like with us, despite their position. Pressure-wise, it is all on them to come up with the goods knowing that City, despite being rankly pissed off at being out of Europe and losing the derby, have (on paper) an easier season ahead of them compared to their's.

If that's blue-tinted specs of me, then fair enough, it's all about opinions I guess.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Actually I was mixing you up with someone else! So maybe your glasses are not too blue-tinted!

I understand all the logic about them being crap and weak in defence and having a shit midfield and a crap goalkeeper etc etc etc.

But the annoying fuckers just won't lie down and die. I mean look at them last season: No RVP, and no Vidic for most of the season. Old men in midfield. Camel hair in goal and camel face in front of him. i.e. garbage.

And still the bastards drove us all the way and got 89 points. 6 points better than us in all the games where we played the opposition. They should have fallen apart and finished 10 points behind us.

I wish and pray this season will be different and they will fall to bits. One hope is that RVP gets crocked again like he normally does - he's overdue. But unless that happens, he can win games on his own for them and I can't see them dropping 10 points on us if they get 9 points ahead this weekend.

We simply MUST win against Newcastle. No pressure then ;-)

 

[Anonymous]

Actually I was mixing you up with someone else! So maybe your glasses are not too blue-tinted!

I understand all the logic about them being crap and weak in defence and having a shit midfield and a crap goalkeeper etc etc etc.

But the annoying fuckers just won't lie down and die. I mean look at them last season: No RVP, and no Vidic for most of the season. Old men in midfield. Camel hair in goal and camel face in front of him. i.e. garbage.

And still the bastards drove us all the way and got 89 points. 6 points better than us in all the games where we played the opposition. They should have fallen apart and finished 10 points behind us.

I wish and pray this season will be different and they will fall to bits. One hope is that RVP gets crocked again like he normally does - he's overdue. But unless that happens, he can win games on his own for them and I can't see them dropping 10 points on us if they get 9 points ahead this weekend.

We simply MUST win against Newcastle. No pressure then ;-)

No worries ;-)

Deffo could do with a win, but at this stage, I'm not sure it would be the death knell. Don't forget, we've still got to go to them as well and I cannot for the life of me see a repeat of the weekend just gone.

 

[gio's side step]

A defeat tomorrow and the title is gone.

Utd have Vidic and Kagawa coming back who will be two crucial players for them after xmas. We have 3 away games whilst they have 3 home games coming up over the xmas period.

Utd have beaten Chelsea away, Liverpool away, Us away and Arsenal at home. We have only taken 3 points against those sides and 0 against Utd. This will be crucial come the end of the season. They have dropped points against Everton but will beat them at home this season. Any realistic City fan cannot see them losing at home to Chelsea, Liverpool home or Arsenal away second half of the season when it counts. Forget last season and the 8 points. As some have said, it wont happen again.

These next few games are so important. Utd wont slip up at home to Sunderland or Newcastle.

Personally, I feel we have already started to lose our grasp on the title. The unbeaten point was hammered to death. Ultimately, due to not winning any of the big games other than Spurs, we have seriously dropped points by drawing too many games. And the RVP last minute goal is a killer.

Defeat tomorrow its 9 points. Over.

 

[Matt the Giant]

Sorry my frineds, for not reading the entire thread before posting.

But to answer the OP's original question; Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked?
Well I guess many feel we could be better than what we are today with another manager. A valid reason me thinks.

 

[moomba]

A defeat tomorrow and the title is gone.

Utd have Vidic and Kagawa coming back who will be two crucial players for them after xmas. We have 3 away games whilst they have 3 home games coming up over the xmas period.

Utd have beaten Chelsea away, Liverpool away, Us away and Arsenal at home. We have only taken 3 points against those sides and 0 against Utd. This will be crucial come the end of the season. They have dropped points against Everton but will beat them at home this season. Any realistic City fan cannot see them losing at home to Chelsea, Liverpool home or Arsenal away second half of the season when it counts. Forget last season and the 8 points. As some have said, it wont happen again.

These next few games are so important. Utd wont slip up at home to Sunderland or Newcastle.

Personally, I feel we have already started to lose our grasp on the title. The unbeaten point was hammered to death. Ultimately, due to not winning any of the big games other than Spurs, we have seriously dropped points by drawing too many games. And the RVP last minute goal is a killer.

Defeat tomorrow its 9 points. Over.

I guess if you have that much belief in United I can understand that you might think the title is over. But they will lose games, they do every year. And if one of those games is the derby (where we won by 5 goals last season) we only have to make up another 3 points.

 

[Skashion]

I guess if you have that much belief in United I can understand that you might think the title is over. But they will lose games, they do every year. And if one of those games is the derby (where we won by 5 goals last season) we only have to make up another 3 points.

You can set much in store by this thread. Shit loads of people lost their heads after Sunderland last year.

 

[Chippy_boy]

A defeat tomorrow and the title is gone.

Utd have Vidic and Kagawa coming back who will be two crucial players for them after xmas. We have 3 away games whilst they have 3 home games coming up over the xmas period.

Utd have beaten Chelsea away, Liverpool away, Us away and Arsenal at home. We have only taken 3 points against those sides and 0 against Utd. This will be crucial come the end of the season. They have dropped points against Everton but will beat them at home this season. Any realistic City fan cannot see them losing at home to Chelsea, Liverpool home or Arsenal away second half of the season when it counts. Forget last season and the 8 points. As some have said, it wont happen again.

These next few games are so important. Utd wont slip up at home to Sunderland or Newcastle.

Personally, I feel we have already started to lose our grasp on the title. The unbeaten point was hammered to death. Ultimately, due to not winning any of the big games other than Spurs, we have seriously dropped points by drawing too many games. And the RVP last minute goal is a killer.

Defeat tomorrow its 9 points. Over.

I guess if you have that much belief in United I can understand that you might think the title is over. But they will lose games, they do every year. And if one of those games is the derby (where we won by 5 goals last season) we only have to make up another 3 points.

3 and the other 3 you have forgotten about. Or are you just igoring his last sentence above?<br /><br />-- Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:21 pm --<br /><br />

A defeat tomorrow and the title is gone.

Utd have Vidic and Kagawa coming back who will be two crucial players for them after xmas. We have 3 away games whilst they have 3 home games coming up over the xmas period.

Utd have beaten Chelsea away, Liverpool away, Us away and Arsenal at home. We have only taken 3 points against those sides and 0 against Utd. This will be crucial come the end of the season. They have dropped points against Everton but will beat them at home this season. Any realistic City fan cannot see them losing at home to Chelsea, Liverpool home or Arsenal away second half of the season when it counts. Forget last season and the 8 points. As some have said, it wont happen again.

These next few games are so important. Utd wont slip up at home to Sunderland or Newcastle.

Personally, I feel we have already started to lose our grasp on the title. The unbeaten point was hammered to death. Ultimately, due to not winning any of the big games other than Spurs, we have seriously dropped points by drawing too many games. And the RVP last minute goal is a killer.

Defeat tomorrow its 9 points. Over.

I am not normally defeatest at all. In fact you might remember my thread last year predicting the Wigan win over United and the tables turning for us to go on to be Champions.

But I have to agree with you. Lose tomorrow and we can forget it.

 

[gio's side step]

A defeat tomorrow and the title is gone.

Utd have Vidic and Kagawa coming back who will be two crucial players for them after xmas. We have 3 away games whilst they have 3 home games coming up over the xmas period.

Utd have beaten Chelsea away, Liverpool away, Us away and Arsenal at home. We have only taken 3 points against those sides and 0 against Utd. This will be crucial come the end of the season. They have dropped points against Everton but will beat them at home this season. Any realistic City fan cannot see them losing at home to Chelsea, Liverpool home or Arsenal away second half of the season when it counts. Forget last season and the 8 points. As some have said, it wont happen again.

These next few games are so important. Utd wont slip up at home to Sunderland or Newcastle.

Personally, I feel we have already started to lose our grasp on the title. The unbeaten point was hammered to death. Ultimately, due to not winning any of the big games other than Spurs, we have seriously dropped points by drawing too many games. And the RVP last minute goal is a killer.

Defeat tomorrow its 9 points. Over.

I guess if you have that much belief in United I can understand that you might think the title is over. But they will lose games, they do every year. And if one of those games is the derby (where we won by 5 goals last season) we only have to make up another 3 points.

Its not about having that much belief in them - its about being realistic. They have beaten big clubs away from home. We haven't even beaten them at home (Utd and Arsenal) and drawn with Chelsea/Liverpool away.

Utd have shown even when playing poorly this season they are still outscoring the opposition and have scored 10 goals more than us away from home. We need to rely on them losing particularly against Chelsea, Liverpool and us at home (or a couple of those). Or Arsenal/Spurs away.

I can't see them losing many more games if any at home when Vidic is back fully fit. If we drop any more points before we go into the new year period we simply wont recover and makes all these possibilities less likely.