Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

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Agree completely with Alan Shearer!

In my opinion, sacking Mancini - paying him and his back room staff off to add to it - will be an even more of a step back than this season.

The money paid out on sacking him will no doubt affect FFP and who we can sign, players will have to get used to a new manager and new system which is a gamble, and who is to say players who have flourished under Mancini start to go to pot with a new manager because of their desired systems?

Mancini knows his team, he knows the faults and how to repair them, he knows we didn't press on from last season and improve the team.

Who is better than him?? Mourinho ain't gonna' come because he has the scum job on his mind down the pipeline, Guardiola is at Bayern, Ancelotti looks set to replace Mourinho at Madrid, Klopp wants to stay at Borussia.

Pellegrini, Simeone, Conte, Laudrup to name a few are all great coaches, but Mancini is as good if not better than them, his trophy haul proves that!

FORZA Mancini I say, one bad season does not justify a sacking if you ask me! He is putting a lot towards building the foundations for where our club will be in 10 years time, developing us an identity and putting trophies in the cabinet at the same time.

We are a new club to the big time in football, we have to have patience, and from what I see is steady progress - yes with a few mistakes made here and there - but no doubt we are slowly becoming the force Mansour hoped to see from us when he bought us.

We don't have the mentality or identity yet of United; Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Milan and Juventus, these clubs have an aura around them in which players automatically know what is expected of them when players sign their contract's for them. Attitude has played a huge downfall on our season this year, Mancini has tried to put it in place with his demands and criticism of players, eventually it will all click into place and players who play for City will know everytime they go on the pitch they have to play at 100%.

Look at United! Some of their first team would probably not even make our bench but because of the aura and expectations around United, players raise their games and play to their potential pretty much most of the time.

If this City team was a United team, it would not suprise me it getting close to 100 points and close to the CL final! The identity of playing for the scum makes every players attitude and concentration 100% at all times, and until our identity, attitude and expectations become matched of that of the current great sides in Europe we will keep getting inconsistency.

Fergie spent a tough first few years trying to put a mentality and identity back in the scum, his managerial stability is the reason why they have that annoying yet praiseworthy attitude of always playing at 100%, and know what is always expected of you, and to go on and do more than that. Would United be the force they are today if they sacked Fergie after those first couple of years and gone though a few more managers in the process? I don't know but I doubt it.

Mancini is the man who is trying no doubt to create this mentality at our club, it is not going to be an overnight process as it take years! By doing this we need stability and sacking Mancini puts us another step behind at achieving this feat!
 
Well well well...we lost a game and the detractors are blaming mancini..if samir had scored just before half time i am positive the result would have been different.
20 mins of shambolic defending was not mancinis fault.not taking edin off was along with bringing that clogger kolarov on was...

We lose its mancinis fault..never the players
We win and its never mancinis doing..always the players.

Shearer speaks sense.I am still certain our owners will back our most successful manager in over fourty yrs for one more season.
Success - isnt that measured by silverware?
 
sam-caddick said:
Agree completely with Alan Shearer!

In my opinion, sacking Mancini - paying him and his back room staff off to add to it - will be an even more of a step back than this season.

The money paid out on sacking him will no doubt affect FFP and who we can sign, players will have to get used to a new manager and new system which is a gamble, and who is to say players who have flourished under Mancini start to go to pot with a new manager because of their desired systems?

Mancini knows his team, he knows the faults and how to repair them, he knows we didn't press on from last season and improve the team.

Who is better than him?? Mourinho ain't gonna' come because he has the scum job on his mind down the pipeline, Guardiola is at Bayern, Ancelotti looks set to replace Mourinho at Madrid, Klopp wants to stay at Borussia.

Pellegrini, Simeone, Conte, Laudrup to name a few are all great coaches, but Mancini is as good if not better than them, his trophy haul proves that!

FORZA Mancini I say, one bad season does not justify a sacking if you ask me! He is putting a lot towards building the foundations for where our club will be in 10 years time, developing us an identity and putting trophies in the cabinet at the same time.

We are a new club to the big time in football, we have to have patience, and from what I see is steady progress - yes with a few mistakes made here and there - but no doubt we are slowly becoming the force Mansour hoped to see from us when he bought us.

We don't have the mentality or identity yet of United; Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Milan and Juventus, these clubs have an aura around them in which players automatically know what is expected of them when players sign their contract's for them. Attitude has played a huge downfall on our season this year, Mancini has tried to put it in place with his demands and criticism of players, eventually it will all click into place and players who play for City will know everytime they go on the pitch they have to play at 100%.

Look at United! Some of their first team would probably not even make our bench but because of the aura and expectations around United, players raise their games and play to their potential pretty much most of the time.

If this City team was a United team, it would not suprise me it getting close to 100 points and close to the CL final! The identity of playing for the scum makes every players attitude and concentration 100% at all times, and until our identity, attitude and expectations become matched of that of the current great sides in Europe we will keep getting inconsistency.

Fergie spent a tough first few years trying to put a mentality and identity back in the scum, his managerial stability is the reason why they have that annoying yet praiseworthy attitude of always playing at 100%, and know what is always expected of you, and to go on and do more than that. Would United be the force they are today if they sacked Fergie after those first couple of years and gone though a few more managers in the process? I don't know but I doubt it.

Mancini is the man who is trying no doubt to create this mentality at our club, it is not going to be an overnight process as it take years! By doing this we need stability and sacking Mancini puts us another step behind at achieving this feat!

Nice post agree with everything. We only have to look at Chelsea there falling behind every year due to sacking managers.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Well well well...we lost a game and the detractors are blaming mancini..if samir had scored just before half time i am positive the result would have been different.
20 mins of shambolic defending was not mancinis fault.not taking edin off was along with bringing that clogger kolarov on was...

We lose its mancinis fault..never the players
We win and its never mancinis doing..always the players.

Shearer speaks sense.I am still certain our owners will back our most successful manager in over fourty yrs for one more season.
Success - isnt that measured by silverware?

No, its apprently measured by Pellegriniism . If you can get your team to play like his teams, then trophies dont matter apparently, from what i have gathered over the past few weeks. The man who has won 9 trophies is nothing in the face of Pellegriniism
 
Dethred said:
franksinatra said:
No mate I use those sentences as it was referred directly to one of the topics under discussion. You highlighted he had lost the dressing room and listed Ibra, amongst others, who had a difficult relationship with him. Therefore I just highlighted the view of Ibra in relation to that topic area, that basically he thought under Mancini the team was improving, Mancini was doing well and the squad liked him a bit different from the picture you painted.But your right I never cut and pasted the full article as neither will I include links to players who praise him as it is pointless.

Incidentally, as I highlighted, the opinion of a couple of players has little sway with me if they like him or not. I just wished to highlight how selective you are being in using the media to support your criticism of Mancini.

You have also told us that Vieira had a poor relationship with him and it was all over the italian papers. Go on google mate and type Viera praises Mancini it will have many links. It proves nothing either way.

Wow, you were just exposed, and you still don't get it? Its clear as fuck, and you're still on about it? Ibra said "By doing so he lost faith in the dressing room." That was the end of his statement on Mancini. Its as clear cut as a sane person could read. Clearly he liked the man, thought they were improving, then saw how Mancini had his fiasco and lost the dressing room. Pretty sure losing the dressing room does NOT reinforce your assertion that Ibra was paying him a compliment.

Its amazing how someone can take a sentence out of an interview, remove it from its context ENTIRELY, and then claim it means the opposite of the interview from which it was taken. You need to join a political campaign, you'd be brilliant.

Ibra: We were doing well, I liked him, we were improving... but then he blew it, and lost the dressing room.

If that's a ringing endorsement, then WOW. Mancini is more fucked at this point than I thought possible.

Ol' Frankie just cannot accept that he was caught, red-handed. Frankie is more f#cked than even Bobby could dream of being. What an utterly dishonest poster he is.<br /><br />-- Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:20 pm --<br /><br />
franksinatra said:
Dethred said:
franksinatra said:
No mate I use those sentences as it was referred directly to one of the topics under discussion. You highlighted he had lost the dressing room and listed Ibra, amongst others, who had a difficult relationship with him. Therefore I just highlighted the view of Ibra in relation to that topic area, that basically he thought under Mancini the team was improving, Mancini was doing well and the squad liked him a bit different from the picture you painted.But your right I never cut and pasted the full article as neither will I include links to players who praise him as it is pointless.

Incidentally, as I highlighted, the opinion of a couple of players has little sway with me if they like him or not. I just wished to highlight how selective you are being in using the media to support your criticism of Mancini.

You have also told us that Vieira had a poor relationship with him and it was all over the italian papers. Go on google mate and type Viera praises Mancini it will have many links. It proves nothing either way.

Wow, you were just exposed, and you still don't get it? Its clear as fuck, and you're still on about it? Ibra said "By doing so he lost faith in the dressing room." That was the end of his statement on Mancini. Its as clear cut as a sane person could read. Clearly he liked the man, thought they were improving, then saw how Mancini had his fiasco and lost the dressing room. Pretty sure losing the dressing room does NOT reinforce your assertion that Ibra was paying him a compliment.

Its amazing how someone can take a sentence out of an interview, remove it from its context ENTIRELY, and then claim it means the opposite of the interview from which it was taken. You need to join a political campaign, you'd be brilliant.

Ibra: We were doing well, I liked him, we were improving... but then he blew it, and lost the dressing room.

If that's a ringing endorsement, then WOW. Mancini is more fucked at this point than I thought possible.

No mate I conceded the point about him quitting on pg 176 and stated that incident would be a fair criticism of him. Sorry you cannot follow the discussion. Blue Heaven quoted Ibra as one of the players who did not have a good relationship with him. I pointed out that Ibra, through the quotes, upto the point when he announced his intention to quit believed Mancini was doing a good job and was liked by the players.

The wider context of the argument is Mancinis record and his relationship with players. Blue Heaven highlighted a number of players he has fallen out with as evidenced by media articles with me stating I think he was being selective as similarly I could produce links and quotes praising him as a manager and therefore it was not the best method of basing an opinion on the manager.

Hope this helps

Ibra's quote speaks for itself. He was doing a good job but then lost the dressing room. You were caught in a hideous distortion, really an outright lie, something that every idiot on the planet can see (except you cannot see it yourself). Rule One: when in a deep hole, stop digging.
 
OB1 said:
LoveCity said:
greasedupdeafguy said:
Bringing Garcia on for Dzeko was an obvious switch and I'm stunned as to why Mancini didn't make it as he is normally pretty good at closing games.

Yes, this... as soon as the momentum started to swing we should have packed the midfield and frustrated them (maybe caught them on the break). Playing with Dzeko was like having 10 men anyway and there was no reason for him to be on the pitch after it became apparent in the 2nd half he wasn't improving. He wasn't even an outlet, any long ball to him bounced off him or saw a defender climb above him while he just stood on the spot like a mard-arse.

Said earlier in the thread that Dzeko should have come off and Yaya pushed up to sit on Huddlestone, who can pick a pass if you allow him time and space but is hardly the most mobile of players if pressed.

Exactly right. Bring Javi on for passive Dzeko and push Yaya a little forward. Huddlestone is slow as molasses, but he can kill you if allowed to stand there and pick passes.
 
Ragnarok said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Well well well...we lost a game and the detractors are blaming mancini..if samir had scored just before half time i am positive the result would have been different.
20 mins of shambolic defending was not mancinis fault.not taking edin off was along with bringing that clogger kolarov on was...

We lose its mancinis fault..never the players
We win and its never mancinis doing..always the players.

Shearer speaks sense.I am still certain our owners will back our most successful manager in over fourty yrs for one more season.
Success - isnt that measured by silverware?

No, its apprently measured by Pellegriniism . If you can get your team to play like his teams, then trophies dont matter apparently, from what i have gathered over the past few weeks. The man who has won 9 trophies is nothing in the face of Pellegriniism

I am truly convinced that we could win the c.league and some would still want him out.
 
sam-caddick said:
Agree completely with Alan Shearer!

In my opinion, sacking Mancini - paying him and his back room staff off to add to it - will be an even more of a step back than this season.

The money paid out on sacking him will no doubt affect FFP and who we can sign, players will have to get used to a new manager and new system which is a gamble, and who is to say players who have flourished under Mancini start to go to pot with a new manager because of their desired systems?

Mancini knows his team, he knows the faults and how to repair them, he knows we didn't press on from last season and improve the team.

Who is better than him?? Mourinho ain't gonna' come because he has the scum job on his mind down the pipeline, Guardiola is at Bayern, Ancelotti looks set to replace Mourinho at Madrid, Klopp wants to stay at Borussia.

Pellegrini, Simeone, Conte, Laudrup to name a few are all great coaches, but Mancini is as good if not better than them, his trophy haul proves that!

FORZA Mancini I say, one bad season does not justify a sacking if you ask me! He is putting a lot towards building the foundations for where our club will be in 10 years time, developing us an identity and putting trophies in the cabinet at the same time.

We are a new club to the big time in football, we have to have patience, and from what I see is steady progress - yes with a few mistakes made here and there - but no doubt we are slowly becoming the force Mansour hoped to see from us when he bought us.

We don't have the mentality or identity yet of United; Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Milan and Juventus, these clubs have an aura around them in which players automatically know what is expected of them when players sign their contract's for them. Attitude has played a huge downfall on our season this year, Mancini has tried to put it in place with his demands and criticism of players, eventually it will all click into place and players who play for City will know everytime they go on the pitch they have to play at 100%.

Look at United! Some of their first team would probably not even make our bench but because of the aura and expectations around United, players raise their games and play to their potential pretty much most of the time.

If this City team was a United team, it would not suprise me it getting close to 100 points and close to the CL final! The identity of playing for the scum makes every players attitude and concentration 100% at all times, and until our identity, attitude and expectations become matched of that of the current great sides in Europe we will keep getting inconsistency.

Fergie spent a tough first few years trying to put a mentality and identity back in the scum, his managerial stability is the reason why they have that annoying yet praiseworthy attitude of always playing at 100%, and know what is always expected of you, and to go on and do more than that. Would United be the force they are today if they sacked Fergie after those first couple of years and gone though a few more managers in the process? I don't know but I doubt it.

Mancini is the man who is trying no doubt to create this mentality at our club, it is not going to be an overnight process as it take years! By doing this we need stability and sacking Mancini puts us another step behind at achieving this feat!
This and the Shearer statement.
Mancini didn't get the signings needed last summer, give him a chance to work with Txiki over the summer on the signings and hopefully a strong 2013-2014 season.
 
We have underperformed in both Europe and the League this year no doubt and yesterdays capitulation was indicative of the fact that we lack bottle when its required but to sack the manager because of it is another thing altogether given our record under his wing.

As often said you need to be sure you have a replacement who you know or are as sure as you can be can take the club to the next level available before replacing the one you have.

I am not that convinced there are more suitable ones available.

Even those who are often spoken about seem to be looking at other alternatives.
 
citytill1die84 said:
sam-caddick said:
Agree completely with Alan Shearer!

In my opinion, sacking Mancini - paying him and his back room staff off to add to it - will be an even more of a step back than this season.

The money paid out on sacking him will no doubt affect FFP and who we can sign, players will have to get used to a new manager and new system which is a gamble, and who is to say players who have flourished under Mancini start to go to pot with a new manager because of their desired systems?

Mancini knows his team, he knows the faults and how to repair them, he knows we didn't press on from last season and improve the team.

Who is better than him?? Mourinho ain't gonna' come because he has the scum job on his mind down the pipeline, Guardiola is at Bayern, Ancelotti looks set to replace Mourinho at Madrid, Klopp wants to stay at Borussia.

Pellegrini, Simeone, Conte, Laudrup to name a few are all great coaches, but Mancini is as good if not better than them, his trophy haul proves that!

FORZA Mancini I say, one bad season does not justify a sacking if you ask me! He is putting a lot towards building the foundations for where our club will be in 10 years time, developing us an identity and putting trophies in the cabinet at the same time.

We are a new club to the big time in football, we have to have patience, and from what I see is steady progress - yes with a few mistakes made here and there - but no doubt we are slowly becoming the force Mansour hoped to see from us when he bought us.

We don't have the mentality or identity yet of United; Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Milan and Juventus, these clubs have an aura around them in which players automatically know what is expected of them when players sign their contract's for them. Attitude has played a huge downfall on our season this year, Mancini has tried to put it in place with his demands and criticism of players, eventually it will all click into place and players who play for City will know everytime they go on the pitch they have to play at 100%.

Look at United! Some of their first team would probably not even make our bench but because of the aura and expectations around United, players raise their games and play to their potential pretty much most of the time.

If this City team was a United team, it would not suprise me it getting close to 100 points and close to the CL final! The identity of playing for the scum makes every players attitude and concentration 100% at all times, and until our identity, attitude and expectations become matched of that of the current great sides in Europe we will keep getting inconsistency.

Fergie spent a tough first few years trying to put a mentality and identity back in the scum, his managerial stability is the reason why they have that annoying yet praiseworthy attitude of always playing at 100%, and know what is always expected of you, and to go on and do more than that. Would United be the force they are today if they sacked Fergie after those first couple of years and gone though a few more managers in the process? I don't know but I doubt it.

Mancini is the man who is trying no doubt to create this mentality at our club, it is not going to be an overnight process as it take years! By doing this we need stability and sacking Mancini puts us another step behind at achieving this feat!

Nice post agree with everything. We only have to look at Chelsea there falling behind every year due to sacking managers.

Great post
 
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