Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[robbieh]

I can give you two names - Mourinho and Pellegrini - both men who also appear to be deemed good enough for Chelsea, a direct rival - I would also suggest Benitez.

The money Mancini has already been allowed to spend in previous seasons, the value he has attained for it, will most certainly be weighted against the spend this summer.

It was also one of the reasons the brakes were applied last summer.

As for the short-term thinking, I can't agree, mate. These two fellas have come in and will do what they feel serves both themselves and the club in tandem.

With regard to Benitez. At least Mancini has bought some decent players. I reckon Liverpool are still recovering from the dross that Houllier and Benitez wasted billions on. In addition I think we saw that like with Ferguson, Ancelotti, Wenger, Mancini has the mental equipment to beat these guys.

Mourinho obviously is a different kettle of fish.But we all are pretty certain City is not a destination for him. I seem to remember recently you said you didn't know much about Pellegrini (if wrong I apologise in advance). The reality is although close on a few occasions he has won nothing in the last 10 years. A period where Mancini has won 4 leagues, 5 domestic cups, maybe one more this year.

Now you don't rate Mancini but name me a manager apart from Mourinho and Guardiola who have won more domestic honours this century. Because I am struggling.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Hiddink is a no go. He doesn't want it, if he did he'd be at Chelsea.

That's the prevailing wisdom, but he's shown no sign of wanting to return there next season. I would also note that he is the ONLY Chelsea manager since Roman took over who was intelligent enough to leave on his own terms, not Roman's!

How long will he be content at Anzhi? It's based, if memory serves, in the capital of Dagestan, and the coaches and squad fly in for home matches from Moscow, where they are really based.

 

[NipHolmes]

Hiddink is a no go. He doesn't want it, if he did he'd be at Chelsea.

That's the prevailing wisdom, but he's shown no sign of wanting to return there next season. I would also note that he is the ONLY Chelsea manager since Roman took over who was intelligent enough to leave on his own terms, not Roman's!

How long will he be content at Anzhi? It's based, if memory serves, in the capital of Dagestan, and the coaches and squad fly in for home matches from Moscow, where they are really based.

He is based in Moscow and has a life of luxury mate, he travels to that shithole to play but he's got it relatively easy and is on wages that have little tex paid on and his expectations are lower than they would be elsewhere.

I want Hiddink yes, but I want him managing England because it's possible and it could haoppen whereas City is impossible because he'd manmage at Chelsea otherwise. £10m p/a and a nice bung or present on top each year.

 

[Blue Heaven]

I can give you two names - Mourinho and Pellegrini - both men who also appear to be deemed good enough for Chelsea, a direct rival - I would also suggest Benitez.

The money Mancini has already been allowed to spend in previous seasons, the value he has attained for it, will most certainly be weighted against the spend this summer.

It was also one of the reasons the brakes were applied last summer.

As for the short-term thinking, I can't agree, mate. These two fellas have come in and will do what they feel serves both themselves and the club in tandem.

With regard to Benitez. At least Mancini has bought some decent players. I reckon Liverpool are still recovering from the dross that Houllier and Benitez wasted billions on. In addition I think we saw that like with Ferguson, Ancelotti, Wenger, Mancini has the mental equipment to beat these guys.

Mourinho obviously is a different kettle of fish.But we all are pretty certain City is not a destination for him. I seem to remember recently you said you didn't know much about Pellegrini (if wrong I apologise in advance). The reality is although close on a few occasions he has won nothing in the last 10 years. A period where Mancini has won 4 leagues, 5 domestic cups, maybe one more this year.

Now you don't rate Mancini but name me a manager apart from Mourinho and Guardiola who have won more domestic honours this century. Because I am struggling.

Here are Hiddink's achievements as a manager (from wikipedia):

Club honours:

PSV Eindhoven
Eredivisie (6): 1987, 1988, 1989, 2003, 2005, 2006
KNVB Cup (4): 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005
Dutch Supercup (1): 1993
UEFA European Cup (1): 1988

Real Madrid
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1998

Chelsea
FA Cup (1): 2009


International honours:

Netherlands
UEFA Euro 1996: Quarter Finals
1998 FIFA World Cup: Fourth Place

South Korea
2002 FIFA World Cup: Fourth Place

Australia
2006 FIFA World Cup: Second Round

Russia
UEFA Euro 2008: Semi-final.


Two domestic trebles with PSV, two World Cup semis and one round of 16 and a Euro semi and quarter final. Maybe not the equal of Mou or the Pep, but not exactly chopped liver, either.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I hope they are not thinking of their own job security Tolmie when deciding on who to work with in the future as you allude to.

That is short term thinking and will ensure their tenure is not as long as it would be otherwise.

I would expect whatever money the owners allow in the transfer market notwithstanding restraints would be spent irrespective of who he is in charge.

I am yet to see those wanting RM gone produce a "top class" name who is available.

Its probably best to keep RM for one last crack at stage 2 qualification ( assuming we get the points required to finish in a qualifying position ) as the pressure on the new appointment should he fail at his first attempt with us would be enormous and it would be on those who selected him.

I can give you two names - Mourinho and Pellegrini - both men who also appear to be deemed good enough for Chelsea, a direct rival - I would also suggest Benitez.

The money Mancini has already been allowed to spend in previous seasons, the value he has attained for it, will most certainly be weighted against the spend this summer.

It was also one of the reasons the brakes were applied last summer.

As for the short-term thinking, I can't agree, mate. These two fellas have come in and will do what they feel serves both themselves and the club in tandem.

Are you suggesting there that he didn't get the players he wanted because the owners didn't trust him with the money?

What I will say is Mancini eventually signing his new five-year-deal was not as smooth sailing as people would believe.

It went deep into the summer.

He didn't get the players he wanted because the board considered them overpriced (they were, massively - RVP in particular)

Javi Martinez was another where the numbers were just ridiculous, he also had a tax situation to sort.

Others were just not realistic, Mancini's pushing of De Rossi, in particular.

I was passed some seriously big games early last summer, but Marwood carried out the instructions to the letter.

I'm sure the owners also felt, as Champions, and with the accelerated spending which had previously taken place, they had the majority of the tools already in place.

Khaldoon eludes to such in his end-of-season interview, in terms of how they would strengthen parts of the squad.

We didn't spend that much less than United last summer so the questions comes, why have our players regressed, and United can be 16 points superior in space of 12 months.

It's not all Van Persie - he has no direct impact on what we do as a club.

 

[levets]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
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This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.

 

[mancity1]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

I hope they are not thinking of their own job security Tolmie when deciding on who to work with in the future as you allude to.

That is short term thinking and will ensure their tenure is not as long as it would be otherwise.

I would expect whatever money the owners allow in the transfer market notwithstanding restraints would be spent irrespective of who he is in charge.

I am yet to see those wanting RM gone produce a "top class" name who is available.

Its probably best to keep RM for one last crack at stage 2 qualification ( assuming we get the points required to finish in a qualifying position ) as the pressure on the new appointment should he fail at his first attempt with us would be enormous and it would be on those who selected him.

I can give you two names - Mourinho and Pellegrini - both men who also appear to be deemed good enough for Chelsea, a direct rival - I would also suggest Benitez.

The money Mancini has already been allowed to spend in previous seasons, the value he has attained for it, will most certainly be weighted against the spend this summer.

It was also one of the reasons the brakes were applied last summer.

As for the short-term thinking, I can't agree, mate. These two fellas have come in and will do what they feel serves both themselves and the club in tandem.

I don't know if JM is available to manage us and wants to manage us but if you know otherwise then fair enough.

I have always thought that our next appointment would be and should be someone a lot younger than Pellegrini but we shall see.

Bottom line is that I have difficulties thinking that we would be better placed in Europe with Pellegrini in charge than with RM.

As for spends in the summer I don't think they will sanction anymore to a new manager of their choice as opposed to the status quo but of course neither of us will ever know.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Hiddink is a no go. He doesn't want it, if he did he'd be at Chelsea.

That's the prevailing wisdom, but he's shown no sign of wanting to return there next season. I would also note that he is the ONLY Chelsea manager since Roman took over who was intelligent enough to leave on his own terms, not Roman's!

How long will he be content at Anzhi? It's based, if memory serves, in the capital of Dagestan, and the coaches and squad fly in for home matches from Moscow, where they are really based.

He is based in Moscow and has a life of luxury mate, he travels to that shithole to play but he's got it relatively easy and is on wages that have little tex paid on and his expectations are lower than they would be elsewhere.

I understand all that, but using your logic, Bobby will quit at season's end (or do something to force his sacking, thus a payout on the remainder of his contract), and toddle off to Monaco. Life of luxury, check. Lowered expectations, check. Low taxes, check. Not to mention a shedload of money to spend from the owner. Better food and weather, closer to Italy, casino action and 10 million a year.

 

[robbieh]

I can give you two names - Mourinho and Pellegrini - both men who also appear to be deemed good enough for Chelsea, a direct rival - I would also suggest Benitez.

The money Mancini has already been allowed to spend in previous seasons, the value he has attained for it, will most certainly be weighted against the spend this summer.

It was also one of the reasons the brakes were applied last summer.

As for the short-term thinking, I can't agree, mate. These two fellas have come in and will do what they feel serves both themselves and the club in tandem.

With regard to Benitez. At least Mancini has bought some decent players. I reckon Liverpool are still recovering from the dross that Houllier and Benitez wasted billions on. In addition I think we saw that like with Ferguson, Ancelotti, Wenger, Mancini has the mental equipment to beat these guys.

Mourinho obviously is a different kettle of fish.But we all are pretty certain City is not a destination for him. I seem to remember recently you said you didn't know much about Pellegrini (if wrong I apologise in advance). The reality is although close on a few occasions he has won nothing in the last 10 years. A period where Mancini has won 4 leagues, 5 domestic cups, maybe one more this year.

Now you don't rate Mancini but name me a manager apart from Mourinho and Guardiola who have won more domestic honours this century. Because I am struggling.

Here are Hiddink's achievements as a manager (from wikipedia):

Club honours:

PSV Eindhoven
Eredivisie (6): 1987, 1988, 1989, 2003, 2005, 2006
KNVB Cup (4): 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005
Dutch Supercup (1): 1993
UEFA European Cup (1): 1988

Real Madrid
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1998

Chelsea
FA Cup (1): 2009


International honours:

Netherlands
UEFA Euro 1996: Quarter Finals
1998 FIFA World Cup: Fourth Place

South Korea
2002 FIFA World Cup: Fourth Place

Australia
2006 FIFA World Cup: Second Round

Russia
UEFA Euro 2008: Semi-final.


Two domestic trebles with PSV, two World Cup semis and one round of 16 and a Euro semi and quarter final. Maybe not the equal of Mou or the Pep, but not exactly chopped liver, either.

I said domestic trophies and by that I meant league and cup. And although I didn't specify I also meant England, Spain , Italy and Germany. Maclaren has won the league in Holland for God's sake.

Mancini 9 Hiddink 1

 

[Blue Heaven]

With regard to Benitez. At least Mancini has bought some decent players. I reckon Liverpool are still recovering from the dross that Houllier and Benitez wasted billions on. In addition I think we saw that like with Ferguson, Ancelotti, Wenger, Mancini has the mental equipment to beat these guys.

Mourinho obviously is a different kettle of fish.But we all are pretty certain City is not a destination for him. I seem to remember recently you said you didn't know much about Pellegrini (if wrong I apologise in advance). The reality is although close on a few occasions he has won nothing in the last 10 years. A period where Mancini has won 4 leagues, 5 domestic cups, maybe one more this year.

Now you don't rate Mancini but name me a manager apart from Mourinho and Guardiola who have won more domestic honours this century. Because I am struggling.

Here are Hiddink's achievements as a manager (from wikipedia):

Club honours:

PSV Eindhoven
Eredivisie (6): 1987, 1988, 1989, 2003, 2005, 2006
KNVB Cup (4): 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005
Dutch Supercup (1): 1993
UEFA European Cup (1): 1988

Real Madrid
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1998

Chelsea
FA Cup (1): 2009


International honours:

Netherlands
UEFA Euro 1996: Quarter Finals
1998 FIFA World Cup: Fourth Place

South Korea
2002 FIFA World Cup: Fourth Place

Australia
2006 FIFA World Cup: Second Round

Russia
UEFA Euro 2008: Semi-final.


Two domestic trebles with PSV, two World Cup semis and one round of 16 and a Euro semi and quarter final. Maybe not the equal of Mou or the Pep, but not exactly chopped liver, either.

I said domestic trophies and by that I meant league and cup. And although I didn't specify I also meant England, Spain , Italy and Germany. Maclaren has won the league in Holland for God's sake.

Mancini 9 Hiddink 1

Who cares about the World Cup or the Euros, anyway? Piffling little events with no lasting impact on football history. With all due respect, I think you're a little blinkered.