Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[levets]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
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This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.

If their first major call is to say 'no thanks' to Mourinho and keep Mancini, and Mourinho ends up at Chelsea, then they could end up looking very silly next season imo.

That's not the point I am making... but I think you know that!

 

[Blue Heaven]

Does anyone else think Mancini wants out?

His tactical actions on a few occassions beggar belief and he is much more clever than that.If he does want out then he should go,everything points to him wanting this for me.

I've been wondering the same thing. In recent matches, he seems forlorn and strangely quiet and passive on the touchline and sat in his seat. To me, he has the air of a man who has been beaten down by the pressure (or whatever). Maybe this is just me projecting something onto his demeanor, but somehow he seems to have emotionally checked out already...

If he decides to leave of his own accord, he will not suffer for offers, and will be able to pick and choose. The Monaco job would be most attractive, but I could also see him return to Italy to manage the national side. I think it's a long-term career goal for him, and he would be able to stay very close to his ailing father.

 

[NipHolmes]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
=========================
This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.

I can't get my head around this.

Ok here goes.

Soriano is tasked with boosting our revenues and cutting our losses. He needs the club to play as well as we can and to win as much as possibel so that he can negotiate deals for the club, the more successful we are the more sponsors will want to be part of us, the more we can charge and the more shirts & merchandise we can sell.

Txiki is director of football, he's tasked with turning us into a version of Barca. He is tasked with changing our football philosophy to suit Ajax/Barca model and also making sure our academy coaches players who will blend in seemlessly to our squad. 4-3-3 throughout.

Txiki in particular is tasked with buying and selling players and being the go between of manager and board. He also is based on performance on field although it's down to manager and squad to perform. If they fail he fails, it's that simple. He's on a good wedge here and wants to be successful in his project but also keeping his job, why go with a manager who's his own man and does things in his own abrasive manner when you can bring in someone who will work with you and thinks like you and can still be successful on field. The likes of De Boer and Pellegrini are a better fit for his vision than Mancini. Say we had Mark Hughes still, and we looked to replace him, I doubt Mancini woudl get the nod over the two mentioned because of the system and philosophy Mancini believes in and employs. It's only because Mancini is here already and has been successful that he's still in with a shout of staying.

Here's a few other issues. Mancini sacked one of the most respect doctors in this country and brought in his won man. Injuries been an issue this season, maybe co-incidence but he did this at Inter too becaue he suspected that the injury team sided with players too much and were too protective.

He also has a shower of shit looking after the EDS and youth. We are way under par and changes must be made in that area too, absolutely no doubt. You can check for yourself to see what I mean.

In short the Spaniards are up shit creek if Mancini doesn't win trophies and continues to buy and sell players at the detriment of the clubs finances. Not only is it a FFP no-no but it also makes their jobs harder and also makes us fairly unstavle in regards to squad. We need a hapoy squad or at least majority of happy players. Buying, selling and harsh public criticism isn't helping matters one bit. Compare Dzeko v Spurs of last year to Dzeko of this year, that's what poor man-management and lack of confidence does to you. The lad clearly has his head elsewhere and feels hard done to. He's been made scpaegoat yesterday but people don't remember his WBA performance etc, also there's no Aguerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro without Dzeko. Had the two been the other way, things may be different when judging him as a player.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Ok Mr Blue Heaven
To question my support for MCFC is rather silly, you know nothing about me and please do not go down that road because I will make you look very silly.

The Pisscan took 6 years to win his first pot for United and it was the FA cup after he got out of jail by Mark Robins at Nottingham Forest and was backed financially equally in relation to that period in time.

Mancini will hopefully have won that twice in three years plus a Premier League title.

My guess is that the Mancini out brigade are a mixture of Rags and new fans probably from overseas and the odd "real match going blue" who has a right to their opinion, although I think they are a minority.

The match going blues who sing his name and every match are happy with Mancini. How many other managers sing their managers name with such volume ?? They dont even sing for bacon face after 25 years and countless trophies.

I'm not questioning your support for MCFC (I have no doubt that you are a loyal Blue). I am, however, questioning your support for Mancini FC...

By the way, many have tried to 'make you [me] look very silly.' A select few have succeeded, here and there, but many others have fallen by the wayside trying, to no avail. Good luck to you in your mission.

Ha, ha. Without wishing to be sycophantic, he's going to need some seriously good luck if he thinks he can get the better of you.

Thank you, Kenobi. The quality of my life has improved immensely since I hired you to be my PR expert. First-class representation, and plenty of statistics, to boot...:-)

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Its a tough one if he wants out
He listens to 40'000 + sing his name every other week,that must make him feel pretty good

Or he reads this thread and sees 6 or 7 posters wanting him out on a daily basis
That must really give him nightmares :)

 

[NipHolmes]

He is based in Moscow and has a life of luxury mate, he travels to that shithole to play but he's got it relatively easy and is on wages that have little tex paid on and his expectations are lower than they would be elsewhere.

I understand all that, but using your logic, Bobby will quit at season's end (or do something to force his sacking, thus a payout on the remainder of his contract), and toddle off to Monaco. Life of luxury, check. Lowered expectations, check. Low taxes, check. Not to mention a shedload of money to spend from the owner. Better food and weather, closer to Italy, casino action and 10 million a year.

Hiddink had the chance to manage here and turned down mate. It's all about easy life for him I'd say.

Mancini's father is not well and Monaco is an easy number in comparison to here, closer to home, better money and weather and less hassle. If I was him I'd find it hard to not be tempted.

Nip, you may well be correct about Hiddink. After all, unlike you, I don't have a pipeline directly into his mind...;-) However, I'm afraid you've missed the big reason why he will stay at Anzhi - it's all about the caviar, my friend...!

Agree about Bobby. If the Monaco offer is real, and as reported, he may decide he doesn't need the ridiculous pressure of being City manager.[/quote]

Haha. I'm not a mind reader, just summarising what's happened and adding my thoughts. He was successful at his brief stint at Chelsea, players loved him and most importantly so did the owner, yet he walked away. He was offered a great contract on more money than any manager at that time yet still didn't fancy it. Instead he sits pretty managing fading greats and cash-hungry players at Anzhi living the life. He speaks Russian and lives in the capital and rakes in a fortune and is content (by looks of it).

Bobby imo will go to Monaco. I'd like to see him go to Roma to try and beat Milan and Juventus and I will back him all the way there but imo Monaco is the better number and that's where he will go next. Alternatively maybe replace Prandelli after a years rest and take over after 2014 possibly? Who knows but my money is on Monaco.

 

[levets]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
=========================
This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.

I can't get my head around this.

Ok here goes.

Soriano is tasked with boosting our revenues and cutting our losses. He needs the club to play as well as we can and to win as much as possibel so that he can negotiate deals for the club, the more successful we are the more sponsors will want to be part of us, the more we can charge and the more shirts & merchandise we can sell.

Txiki is director of football, he's tasked with turning us into a version of Barca. He is tasked with changing our football philosophy to suit Ajax/Barca model and also making sure our academy coaches players who will blend in seemlessly to our squad. 4-3-3 throughout.

Txiki in particular is tasked with buying and selling players and being the go between of manager and board. He also is based on performance on field although it's down to manager and squad to perform. If they fail he fails, it's that simple. He's on a good wedge here and wants to be successful in his project but also keeping his job, why go with a manager who's his own man and does things in his own abrasive manner when you can bring in someone who will work with you and thinks like you and can still be successful on field. The likes of De Boer and Pellegrini are a better fit for his vision than Mancini. Say we had Mark Hughes still, and we looked to replace him, I doubt Mancini woudl get the nod over the two mentioned because of the system and philosophy Mancini believes in and employs. It's only because Mancini is here already and has been successful that he's still in with a shout of staying.

Here's a few other issues. Mancini sacked one of the most respect doctors in this country and brought in his won man. Injuries been an issue this season, maybe co-incidence but he did this at Inter too becaue he suspected that the injury team sided with players too much and were too protective.

He also has a shower of shit looking after the EDS and youth. We are way under par and changes must be made in that area too, absolutely no doubt. You can check for yourself to see what I mean.

In short the Spaniards are up shit creek if Mancini doesn't win trophies and continues to buy and sell players at the detriment of the clubs finances. Not only is it a FFP no-no but it also makes their jobs harder and also makes us fairly unstavle in regards to squad. We need a hapoy squad or at least majority of happy players. Buying, selling and harsh public criticism isn't helping matters one bit. Compare Dzeko v Spurs of last year to Dzeko of this year, that's what poor man-management and lack of confidence does to you. The lad clearly has his head elsewhere and feels hard done to. He's been made scpaegoat yesterday but people don't remember his WBA performance etc, also there's no Aguerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro without Dzeko. Had the two been the other way, things may be different when judging him as a player.

Im not anti Dzeko or garcia, Kolarov... infact anybody.

Im anti somebody (and I think it's shite to be honest) who would 'further their job security' by dispensing of a manager for those reasons...

If Mourinho is available and wants the gig... OK. If not, 'carry on'... but heed the warnings RM....

 

[Blue Heaven]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
=========================
This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.

I can't get my head around this.

Ok here goes.

Soriano is tasked with boosting our revenues and cutting our losses. He needs the club to play as well as we can and to win as much as possibel so that he can negotiate deals for the club, the more successful we are the more sponsors will want to be part of us, the more we can charge and the more shirts & merchandise we can sell.

Txiki is director of football, he's tasked with turning us into a version of Barca. He is tasked with changing our football philosophy to suit Ajax/Barca model and also making sure our academy coaches players who will blend in seemlessly to our squad. 4-3-3 throughout.

Txiki in particular is tasked with buying and selling players and being the go between of manager and board. He also is based on performance on field although it's down to manager and squad to perform. If they fail he fails, it's that simple. He's on a good wedge here and wants to be successful in his project but also keeping his job, why go with a manager who's his own man and does things in his own abrasive manner when you can bring in someone who will work with you and thinks like you and can still be successful on field. The likes of De Boer and Pellegrini are a better fit for his vision than Mancini. Say we had Mark Hughes still, and we looked to replace him, I doubt Mancini woudl get the nod over the two mentioned because of the system and philosophy Mancini believes in and employs. It's only because Mancini is here already and has been successful that he's still in with a shout of staying.

Here's a few other issues. Mancini sacked one of the most respect doctors in this country and brought in his won man. Injuries been an issue this season, maybe co-incidence but he did this at Inter too becaue he suspected that the injury team sided with players too much and were too protective.

He also has a shower of shit looking after the EDS and youth. We are way under par and changes must be made in that area too, absolutely no doubt. You can check for yourself to see what I mean.

In short the Spaniards are up shit creek if Mancini doesn't win trophies and continues to buy and sell players at the detriment of the clubs finances. Not only is it a FFP no-no but it also makes their jobs harder and also makes us fairly unstavle in regards to squad. We need a hapoy squad or at least majority of happy players. Buying, selling and harsh public criticism isn't helping matters one bit. Compare Dzeko v Spurs of last year to Dzeko of this year, that's what poor man-management and lack of confidence does to you. The lad clearly has his head elsewhere and feels hard done to. He's been made scpaegoat yesterday but people don't remember his WBA performance etc, also there's no Aguerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro without Dzeko. Had the two been the other way, things may be different when judging him as a player.

Great stuff, Nip.

 

[NipHolmes]

Its a tough one if he wants out
He listens to 40'000 + sing his name every other week,that must make him feel pretty good

Or he reads this thread and sees 6 or 7 posters wanting him out on a daily basis
That must really give him nightmares :)

More money, better weather, closer to home with quicker access to his father and less pressure with the job.

I can see why his name being chanted will mean more than the above :/
Seriously Cookie, Monaco is a good job for him. If he leaves here it's a great number.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Interesting view on Mancini's last campaign at Inter from Ibrahimovic:

It is what happened the next season that shines a curious light on Mancini's adeptness at handling the pressure of a tight race for the finish line.

In 2007/08, Inter had set off from the front defending their Serie A crown. Then they lost form. Roma and Milan meanwhile gathered momentum. When Inter drew with Roma and lost to Napoli in successive matches going into March, they became jittery, as Zlatan Ibrahimovic, then Inter's spearhead striker, recalled. "I heard Mancini and the other coaches talking: They were worried. The nervousness had spread through the squad and confidence had disappeared. From having been a winning machine, we now didn't even feel confident against the bottom teams."

Inter then exited the Champions League, against Liverpool, a familiar disappointment in a competition in which Mancini's record as a coach is very ordinary.

In the context of the Italian championship-chase, his reaction would be damaging. Mancini appeared to announce his resignation; then he changed his mind.

"The atmosphere in the team was awful," remembers Ibrahimovic, whose own injury problems had not helped during the period. "It was like a switch had been flicked. The harmony and optimism had gone. The media attacked Inter's problems, and when Mancini declared he would leave, then he took it back, the trust in him disappeared.

"As a coach you can't do that. It isn't professional. And we kept losing points. Our big advantage in the league decreased all the time."

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And recently there were the comments about Kidd essentially buoying up the players last season when Mancini had supposedly given up on the title.

That comment about going from a winning machine to one who struggled against the bottom teams is an interesting one as that seems to sum us up. On our day we are the best team in the PL by a country mile and can beat all our rivals yet we can go to pieces quickly.

Maybe Mancini just doesn't handle pressure very well?