Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[BlueAnorak]

If Mancini is sacked then the press 'outrage' will be 10 times worse than that brought down on them than after Hughes left. It will also blow away any reputation they would like to have for ' Long term' management - even though it is the press themselves continually speculating on no information whatsoever. The club were shocked at the press response to Hughes going and do not want to repeat the trick.

That said I can see Mancini resigning.

 

[ancoats]

Media Whores take note (mancini)

back off please and respect manchester city and the great mancini
you can stick your manager/player of the year crap

Facts Speak Louder Than Words and i would not swap it with anybody else record at the start of there club careers even fergie start at utd

fa cup winners/finalist 2013
premier league winners
3 top 4 place (3rd 1st 2nd)
2 community sheild finals (won 1)

in the words of andy gray
MANCINI TAKE A BOW MY SON

 

[Blue Heaven]

I understand all that, but using your logic, Bobby will quit at season's end (or do something to force his sacking, thus a payout on the remainder of his contract), and toddle off to Monaco. Life of luxury, check. Lowered expectations, check. Low taxes, check. Not to mention a shedload of money to spend from the owner. Better food and weather, closer to Italy, casino action and 10 million a year.

Hiddink had the chance to manage here and turned down mate. It's all about easy life for him I'd say.

Mancini's father is not well and Monaco is an easy number in comparison to here, closer to home, better money and weather and less hassle. If I was him I'd find it hard to not be tempted.

Nip, you may well be correct about Hiddink. After all, unlike you, I don't have a pipeline directly into his mind...;-) However, I'm afraid you've missed the big reason why he will stay at Anzhi - it's all about the caviar, my friend...!

Agree about Bobby. If the Monaco offer is real, and as reported, he may decide he doesn't need the ridiculous pressure of being City manager.

Haha. I'm not a mind reader, just summarising what's happened and adding my thoughts. He was successful at his brief stint at Chelsea, players loved him and most importantly so did the owner, yet he walked away. He was offered a great contract on more money than any manager at that time yet still didn't fancy it. Instead he sits pretty managing fading greats and cash-hungry players at Anzhi living the life. He speaks Russian and lives in the capital and rakes in a fortune and is content (by looks of it).

Bobby imo will go to Monaco. I'd like to see him go to Roma to try and beat Milan and Juventus and I will back him all the way there but imo Monaco is the better number and that's where he will go next. Alternatively maybe replace Prandelli after a years rest and take over after 2014 possibly? Who knows but my money is on Monaco.[/quote]

Hiddink will get bored, eventually. However, if and when he does, will he look for a new position, or simply retire? Full disclosure: I recently sent Txiki an e-mail suggesting that he consider Johan Cruyff as our next manager. No response was forthcoming...;-) My Ajax-loving friend in Zwolle dismissed this as "science fiction" but I continue to rally for the improbable. If Txiki wants the ultimate "total football"/Barca guy, and someone he can trust, Cruyff would be fascinating. It was Cruyff who suggested to Barca that they hire Txiki to be their DOF.

 

[guvnors son mcfc]

So if we retain Bobby for next season, according to your logic, what will transpire? We will share the title with ManUre? I'll let you join the dots there.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:41 am --



The difference between us is that I am a Blue, supporting MCFC, and you are a Blue, supporting Mancini FC.

Ok Mr Blue Heaven
To question my support for MCFC is rather silly, you know nothing about me and please do not go down that road because I will make you look very silly.

The Pisscan took 6 years to win his first pot for United and it was the FA cup after he got out of jail by Mark Robins at Nottingham Forest and was backed financially equally in relation to that period in time.

Mancini will hopefully have won that twice in three years plus a Premier League title.

My guess is that the Mancini out brigade are a mixture of Rags and new fans probably from overseas and the odd "real match going blue" who has a right to their opinion, although I think they are a minority.

The match going blues who sing his name and every match are happy with Mancini. How many other managers sing their managers name with such volume ?? They dont even sing for bacon face after 25 years and countless trophies.

I'm not questioning your support for MCFC (I have no doubt that you are a loyal Blue). I am, however, questioning your support for Mancini FC...

By the way, many have tried to 'make you [me] look very silly.' A select few have succeeded, here and there, but many others have fallen by the wayside trying, to no avail. Good luck to you in your mission.

We have chopped and changed our manager for as long as I can recall. I don't know where you get Mancini FC from. First and foremost I support MCFC and I attend matches and have done since my first game at Maine Road in 1975/76 season against Hartlepool United in the League cup. I have seen with my own eyes how we have gained the many nicknames over the years the "typical city" "cups for cock ups".

Yes I will support Mancini, he has delivered, I accept he has not succeeded in Europe but Sir Alex has only succeeded twice in 26 years ! I use MUFC as the yard stick because according to the press, media and sky sports they are the biggest sports team on the planet, not because they are our neighbours.

Mancini did not get the players in he would of liked and if we are honest none of us know the truth why. Our group was pretty tough this time around and last year we went out with ten points which I would suggest is unlucky.

I am not a blinkered Mancini fan and agree that he does things that I wouldn't,. I am not a fan of publicly naming players when they are at fault and his man management of players is also not to my liking. But he has delivered success.

Some of his substitutions baffle me at times and he backed Mario when many others would have kicked him out earlier.

But show me a Manager who has no faults and delivers success year on year for City and I will be happy. Until then let's stick with Mancini.

I am still buzzing about going to Wembley again in under three weeks time as I am sure you are too, are you going ?

 

[Blue Heaven]

Its a tough one if he wants out
He listens to 40'000 + sing his name every other week,that must make him feel pretty good

Or he reads this thread and sees 6 or 7 posters wanting him out on a daily basis
That must really give him nightmares :)

More money, better weather, closer to home with quicker access to his father and less pressure with the job.

I can see why his name being chanted will mean more than the above :/
Seriously Cookie, Monaco is a good job for him. If he leaves here it's a great number.

Raineri will be pissed, however...

 

[levets]

If Mancini is sacked then the press 'outrage' will be 10 times worse than that brought down on them than after Hughes left. It will also blow away any reputation they would like to have for ' Long term' management - even though it is the press themselves continually speculating on no information whatsoever. The club were shocked at the press response to Hughes going and do not want to repeat the trick.

That said I can see Mancini resigning.

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[NipHolmes]

If Mancini is sacked then the press 'outrage' will be 10 times worse than that brought down on them than after Hughes left. It will also blow away any reputation they would like to have for ' Long term' management - even though it is the press themselves continually speculating on no information whatsoever. The club were shocked at the press response to Hughes going and do not want to repeat the trick.

That said I can see Mancini resigning.[/quote]

He wont be sacked imo. He will resign or have a mutual agreement.

The club shoudl realise that treading on eggshells to make journos and rovals happy won't work. We could donate £10m to charity and they'd twist it never the less.

Fuck what people think, lets worry about number one and fuck everyone else. CITY and CITY only, I could not give a flying fuck what John Cross thinks or the tripe he writes. When we top the league and are in teh leter stages of Europe the ugly bastard will eat humble pie.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Interesting view on Mancini's last campaign at Inter from Ibrahimovic:

It is what happened the next season that shines a curious light on Mancini's adeptness at handling the pressure of a tight race for the finish line.

In 2007/08, Inter had set off from the front defending their Serie A crown. Then they lost form. Roma and Milan meanwhile gathered momentum. When Inter drew with Roma and lost to Napoli in successive matches going into March, they became jittery, as Zlatan Ibrahimovic, then Inter's spearhead striker, recalled. "I heard Mancini and the other coaches talking: They were worried. The nervousness had spread through the squad and confidence had disappeared. From having been a winning machine, we now didn't even feel confident against the bottom teams."

Inter then exited the Champions League, against Liverpool, a familiar disappointment in a competition in which Mancini's record as a coach is very ordinary.

In the context of the Italian championship-chase, his reaction would be damaging. Mancini appeared to announce his resignation; then he changed his mind.

"The atmosphere in the team was awful," remembers Ibrahimovic, whose own injury problems had not helped during the period. "It was like a switch had been flicked. The harmony and optimism had gone. The media attacked Inter's problems, and when Mancini declared he would leave, then he took it back, the trust in him disappeared.

"As a coach you can't do that. It isn't professional. And we kept losing points. Our big advantage in the league decreased all the time."

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And recently there were the comments about Kidd essentially buoying up the players last season when Mancini had supposedly given up on the title.

That comment about going from a winning machine to one who struggled against the bottom teams is an interesting one as that seems to sum us up. On our day we are the best team in the PL by a country mile and can beat all our rivals yet we can go to pieces quickly.

Maybe Mancini just doesn't handle pressure very well?

I take it you haven't met our very own "FrankieSinatra" then?!

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Its a tough one if he wants out
He listens to 40'000 + sing his name every other week,that must make him feel pretty good

Or he reads this thread and sees 6 or 7 posters wanting him out on a daily basis
That must really give him nightmares :)

More money, better weather, closer to home with quicker access to his father and less pressure with the job.

I can see why his name being chanted will mean more than the above :/
Seriously Cookie, Monaco is a good job for him. If he leaves here it's a great number.

It could well be for the weather or even moreso his father,i guess we will know soon enough
Certainly not from the fans on his back
Well,except for a few :)

 

[Danamy]

Begiristain and Soriano have the finest of balancing acts to perform.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini at the end of this season, rather than allowing him to spend upwards of £70m and him still possibly coming up short.

Whoever the replacement, they would sure to be top class and would be afforded at least a two-year grace period, barring being an unmitigated disaster.

Mancini is not their man in terms of appointment, and I suspect they will have already factored in when the spotlight would become a little more intense for them.

Keeping Mancini now would be an immediate call and impact their ability to go about their remit successfully in the future, with regards resources.

I would like to see Mancini get a proper send-off at the Cup Final, all the cards on the table, beforehand, and at least try to form some sort of momentum on and off the pitch.

They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
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This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.

I can't get my head around this.

Ok here goes.

Soriano is tasked with boosting our revenues and cutting our losses. He needs the club to play as well as we can and to win as much as possibel so that he can negotiate deals for the club, the more successful we are the more sponsors will want to be part of us, the more we can charge and the more shirts & merchandise we can sell.

Txiki is director of football, he's tasked with turning us into a version of Barca. He is tasked with changing our football philosophy to suit Ajax/Barca model and also making sure our academy coaches players who will blend in seemlessly to our squad. 4-3-3 throughout.

Txiki in particular is tasked with buying and selling players and being the go between of manager and board. He also is based on performance on field although it's down to manager and squad to perform. If they fail he fails, it's that simple. He's on a good wedge here and wants to be successful in his project but also keeping his job, why go with a manager who's his own man and does things in his own abrasive manner when you can bring in someone who will work with you and thinks like you and can still be successful on field. The likes of De Boer and Pellegrini are a better fit for his vision than Mancini. Say we had Mark Hughes still, and we looked to replace him, I doubt Mancini woudl get the nod over the two mentioned because of the system and philosophy Mancini believes in and employs. It's only because Mancini is here already and has been successful that he's still in with a shout of staying.

Here's a few other issues. Mancini sacked one of the most respect doctors in this country and brought in his won man. Injuries been an issue this season, maybe co-incidence but he did this at Inter too becaue he suspected that the injury team sided with players too much and were too protective.

He also has a shower of shit looking after the EDS and youth. We are way under par and changes must be made in that area too, absolutely no doubt. You can check for yourself to see what I mean.

In short the Spaniards are up shit creek if Mancini doesn't win trophies and continues to buy and sell players at the detriment of the clubs finances. Not only is it a FFP no-no but it also makes their jobs harder and also makes us fairly unstavle in regards to squad. We need a hapoy squad or at least majority of happy players. Buying, selling and harsh public criticism isn't helping matters one bit. Compare Dzeko v Spurs of last year to Dzeko of this year, that's what poor man-management and lack of confidence does to you. The lad clearly has his head elsewhere and feels hard done to. He's been made scpaegoat yesterday but people don't remember his WBA performance etc, also there's no Aguerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro without Dzeko. Had the two been the other way, things may be different when judging him as a player.

I agree with a lot of that but there's one problem as far as i can see it, is the right man available yet?

The way i see it Mancini will be in charge past the summer, unless he's past on his wishes to leave, which is a possible.

You know my feelings about Mourinho but i don't think Txiki shares the same admiration or sees him as the next fit for City, hence the reason why i think he'll stay.