Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

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Blue Heaven said:
NipHolmes said:
Blue Heaven said:
Hiddink had the chance to manage here and turned down mate. It's all about easy life for him I'd say.

Mancini's father is not well and Monaco is an easy number in comparison to here, closer to home, better money and weather and less hassle. If I was him I'd find it hard to not be tempted.

Nip, you may well be correct about Hiddink. After all, unlike you, I don't have a pipeline directly into his mind...;-) However, I'm afraid you've missed the big reason why he will stay at Anzhi - it's all about the caviar, my friend...!

Agree about Bobby. If the Monaco offer is real, and as reported, he may decide he doesn't need the ridiculous pressure of being City manager.

Haha. I'm not a mind reader, just summarising what's happened and adding my thoughts. He was successful at his brief stint at Chelsea, players loved him and most importantly so did the owner, yet he walked away. He was offered a great contract on more money than any manager at that time yet still didn't fancy it. Instead he sits pretty managing fading greats and cash-hungry players at Anzhi living the life. He speaks Russian and lives in the capital and rakes in a fortune and is content (by looks of it).

Bobby imo will go to Monaco. I'd like to see him go to Roma to try and beat Milan and Juventus and I will back him all the way there but imo Monaco is the better number and that's where he will go next. Alternatively maybe replace Prandelli after a years rest and take over after 2014 possibly? Who knows but my money is on Monaco.

Hiddink will get bored, eventually. However, if and when he does, will he look for a new position, or simply retire? Full disclosure: I recently sent Txiki an e-mail suggesting that he consider Johan Cruyff as our next manager. No response was forthcoming...;-) My Ajax-loving friend in Zwolle dismissed this as "science fiction" but I continue to rally for the improbable. If Txiki wants the ultimate "total football"/Barca guy, and someone he can trust, Cruyff would be fascinating. It was Cruyff who suggested to Barca that they hire Txiki to be their DOF.[/quote]

Cruyff suggested to Txiki that we employ De Boer ;)

I think De Boer to City is most probable. If we do retain the services of Manicni for another season then I think De Boer will take over then. If not I can see him now. The only reason he may not get the job is because of Pellegrini's experience possibly. I personally reckon De Boer is the man, he's Ajax and Barca coached, knows it inside and out, good at bringing youth through and gets 100% out his team. Also speaks English, Dutch (obviously), Spanish and German I believe.
 
guvnors son mcfc said:
Blue Heaven said:
guvnors son mcfc said:
Ok Mr Blue Heaven
To question my support for MCFC is rather silly, you know nothing about me and please do not go down that road because I will make you look very silly.

The Pisscan took 6 years to win his first pot for United and it was the FA cup after he got out of jail by Mark Robins at Nottingham Forest and was backed financially equally in relation to that period in time.

Mancini will hopefully have won that twice in three years plus a Premier League title.

My guess is that the Mancini out brigade are a mixture of Rags and new fans probably from overseas and the odd "real match going blue" who has a right to their opinion, although I think they are a minority.

The match going blues who sing his name and every match are happy with Mancini. How many other managers sing their managers name with such volume ?? They dont even sing for bacon face after 25 years and countless trophies.

I'm not questioning your support for MCFC (I have no doubt that you are a loyal Blue). I am, however, questioning your support for Mancini FC...

By the way, many have tried to 'make you [me] look very silly.' A select few have succeeded, here and there, but many others have fallen by the wayside trying, to no avail. Good luck to you in your mission.

We have chopped and changed our manager for as long as I can recall. I don't know where you get Mancini FC from. First and foremost I support MCFC and I attend matches and have done since my first game at Maine Road in 1975/76 season against Hartlepool United in the League cup. I have seen with my own eyes how we have gained the many nicknames over the years the "typical city" "cups for cock ups".

Yes I will support Mancini, he has delivered, I accept he has not succeeded in Europe but Sir Alex has only succeeded twice in 26 years ! I use MUFC as the yard stick because according to the press, media and sky sports they are the biggest sports team on the planet, not because they are our neighbours.

Mancini did not get the players in he would of liked and if we are honest none of us know the truth why. Our group was pretty tough this time around and last year we went out with ten points which I would suggest is unlucky.

I am not a blinkered Mancini fan and agree that he does things that I wouldn't,. I am not a fan of publicly naming players when they are at fault and his man management of players is also not to my liking. But he has delivered success.

Some of his substitutions baffle me at times and he backed Mario when many others would have kicked him out earlier.

But show me a Manager who has no faults and delivers success year on year for City and I will be happy. Until then let's stick with Mancini.

I am still buzzing about going to Wembley again in under three weeks time as I am sure you are too, are you going ?

Fair enough. We seem to see the same things, but have come to different conclusions. Agree to disagree. My apologies if I unfairly labelled you as something you are not. For what it's worth, I suggested Bobby as an alternative to Hughes on the old MUEN board when Sven was fired, and defended him tirelessly after his appointment against those who still couldn't accept the end of taffia rule. He's done some great things at our club, and will be a legend, whether or not he is retained for next season.
 
The cookie monster said:
NipHolmes said:
The cookie monster said:
Its a tough one if he wants out
He listens to 40'000 + sing his name every other week,that must make him feel pretty good

Or he reads this thread and sees 6 or 7 posters wanting him out on a daily basis
That must really give him nightmares :)

More money, better weather, closer to home with quicker access to his father and less pressure with the job.

I can see why his name being chanted will mean more than the above :/
Seriously Cookie, Monaco is a good job for him. If he leaves here it's a great number.

It could well be for the weather or even moreso his father,i guess we will know soon enough
Certainly not from the fans on his back
Well,except for a few :)

You've known my feelings about it for a while, it'll certainly be interesting to see how it pans out?
 
The cookie monster said:
NipHolmes said:
The cookie monster said:
Its a tough one if he wants out
He listens to 40'000 + sing his name every other week,that must make him feel pretty good

Or he reads this thread and sees 6 or 7 posters wanting him out on a daily basis
That must really give him nightmares :)

More money, better weather, closer to home with quicker access to his father and less pressure with the job.

I can see why his name being chanted will mean more than the above :/
Seriously Cookie, Monaco is a good job for him. If he leaves here it's a great number.

It could well be for the weather or even moreso his father,i guess we will know soon enough
Certainly not from the fans on his back
Well,except for a few :)

I will have no bearing on his tenure and neither will any others. Even 40k fans cheering his name wont.

In all fairness it's a great gig.
 
NipHolmes said:
BlueAnorak said:
If Mancini is sacked then the press 'outrage' will be 10 times worse than that brought down on them than after Hughes left. It will also blow away any reputation they would like to have for ' Long term' management - even though it is the press themselves continually speculating on no information whatsoever. The club were shocked at the press response to Hughes going and do not want to repeat the trick.

That said I can see Mancini resigning.[/quote]

He wont be sacked imo. He will resign or have a mutual agreement.

The club shoudl realise that treading on eggshells to make journos and rovals happy won't work. We could donate £10m to charity and they'd twist it never the less.

Fuck what people think, lets worry about number one and fuck everyone else. CITY and CITY only, I could not give a flying fuck what John Cross thinks or the tripe he writes. When we top the league and are in teh leter stages of Europe the ugly bastard will eat humble pie.

If that donation were made, the Daily Star and others would claim it was a shameless tax dodge, and unethical in the extreme.<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:52 am --<br /><br />
NipHolmes said:
Blue Heaven said:
NipHolmes said:
Nip, you may well be correct about Hiddink. After all, unlike you, I don't have a pipeline directly into his mind...;-) However, I'm afraid you've missed the big reason why he will stay at Anzhi - it's all about the caviar, my friend...!

Agree about Bobby. If the Monaco offer is real, and as reported, he may decide he doesn't need the ridiculous pressure of being City manager.

Haha. I'm not a mind reader, just summarising what's happened and adding my thoughts. He was successful at his brief stint at Chelsea, players loved him and most importantly so did the owner, yet he walked away. He was offered a great contract on more money than any manager at that time yet still didn't fancy it. Instead he sits pretty managing fading greats and cash-hungry players at Anzhi living the life. He speaks Russian and lives in the capital and rakes in a fortune and is content (by looks of it).

Bobby imo will go to Monaco. I'd like to see him go to Roma to try and beat Milan and Juventus and I will back him all the way there but imo Monaco is the better number and that's where he will go next. Alternatively maybe replace Prandelli after a years rest and take over after 2014 possibly? Who knows but my money is on Monaco.

Hiddink will get bored, eventually. However, if and when he does, will he look for a new position, or simply retire? Full disclosure: I recently sent Txiki an e-mail suggesting that he consider Johan Cruyff as our next manager. No response was forthcoming...;-) My Ajax-loving friend in Zwolle dismissed this as "science fiction" but I continue to rally for the improbable. If Txiki wants the ultimate "total football"/Barca guy, and someone he can trust, Cruyff would be fascinating. It was Cruyff who suggested to Barca that they hire Txiki to be their DOF.

Cruyff suggested to Txiki that we employ De Boer ;)

I think De Boer to City is most probable. If we do retain the services of Manicni for another season then I think De Boer will take over then. If not I can see him now. The only reason he may not get the job is because of Pellegrini's experience possibly. I personally reckon De Boer is the man, he's Ajax and Barca coached, knows it inside and out, good at bringing youth through and gets 100% out his team. Also speaks English, Dutch (obviously), Spanish and German I believe.[/quote]

If de Boer comes to City, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bergkamp become manager at Ajax.
 
Mancini On His Way (Again?)

Would you believe it? One poor 10 minutes from his team and the boss is apparently getting sacked...according to "a City insider" ...but all is not lost, look where the story is being reported!
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A City insider told the Daily Star Sunday: “It is now 99 per cent certain that Mancini will be gone in the summer – and Pellegrini, Ancelotti, Klopp or Simeone will be the new manager.”
 
Re: Mancini On His Way (Again?)

Only last we beat united away and chelsea at wembley, now we are supposed to believe someone at the club has said those words to a daily star journalist? fucking lol
 
Danamy said:
NipHolmes said:
levets said:
They would afford themselves of greater job security by dispensing with Mancini
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This is what is wrong with the appointment of these two.... If indeed this is correct.


I can't get my head around this.

Ok here goes.

Soriano is tasked with boosting our revenues and cutting our losses. He needs the club to play as well as we can and to win as much as possibel so that he can negotiate deals for the club, the more successful we are the more sponsors will want to be part of us, the more we can charge and the more shirts & merchandise we can sell.

Txiki is director of football, he's tasked with turning us into a version of Barca. He is tasked with changing our football philosophy to suit Ajax/Barca model and also making sure our academy coaches players who will blend in seemlessly to our squad. 4-3-3 throughout.

Txiki in particular is tasked with buying and selling players and being the go between of manager and board. He also is based on performance on field although it's down to manager and squad to perform. If they fail he fails, it's that simple. He's on a good wedge here and wants to be successful in his project but also keeping his job, why go with a manager who's his own man and does things in his own abrasive manner when you can bring in someone who will work with you and thinks like you and can still be successful on field. The likes of De Boer and Pellegrini are a better fit for his vision than Mancini. Say we had Mark Hughes still, and we looked to replace him, I doubt Mancini woudl get the nod over the two mentioned because of the system and philosophy Mancini believes in and employs. It's only because Mancini is here already and has been successful that he's still in with a shout of staying.

Here's a few other issues. Mancini sacked one of the most respect doctors in this country and brought in his won man. Injuries been an issue this season, maybe co-incidence but he did this at Inter too becaue he suspected that the injury team sided with players too much and were too protective.

He also has a shower of shit looking after the EDS and youth. We are way under par and changes must be made in that area too, absolutely no doubt. You can check for yourself to see what I mean.

In short the Spaniards are up shit creek if Mancini doesn't win trophies and continues to buy and sell players at the detriment of the clubs finances. Not only is it a FFP no-no but it also makes their jobs harder and also makes us fairly unstavle in regards to squad. We need a hapoy squad or at least majority of happy players. Buying, selling and harsh public criticism isn't helping matters one bit. Compare Dzeko v Spurs of last year to Dzeko of this year, that's what poor man-management and lack of confidence does to you. The lad clearly has his head elsewhere and feels hard done to. He's been made scpaegoat yesterday but people don't remember his WBA performance etc, also there's no Aguerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro without Dzeko. Had the two been the other way, things may be different when judging him as a player.

I agree with a lot of that but there's one problem as far as i can see it, is the right man available yet?

The way i see it Mancini will be in charge past the summer, unless he's past on his wishes to leave, which is a possible.

You know my feelings about Mourinho but i don't think Txiki shares the same admiration or sees him as the next fit for City, hence the reason why i think he'll stay.

I'm not ITK ior anything like that but I heard taht he's here next year but leave in summer of 2014. I even posted 'all parties will be happy' because inners get another year and outers get their way too.

The perfect man chose Bayern mate, however the very next in line to that system and way of playing is De Boer. Have a look at the De Boer thread in transfer sectiona nd see the post I posted of an article about him. Well written, concise and has taught me a lot. I've since checked De Boer out more, watched more of Ajax and taken a look at style of play. he'd fit the Txiki profile, he's just a big gamble. I don't know if it can be justified Dan. I'm happy to punt for him but it's easy to say this as a fan withouyt my bollocks being on the chopping block. If he fails I can only fear TCM and other posting my older posts in favour of him and also United winning a title etc, meanwhile the Spaniards get thrashed for it and it's a blemish on their c.v's. Still, you give me £500k pa let alone £millions and I'd be willing to let Mansour slip one into me let alone take the heat on a failed managerial appointment.<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:55 pm --<br /><br />
Blue Heaven said:
NipHolmes said:
BlueAnorak said:
If Mancini is sacked then the press 'outrage' will be 10 times worse than that brought down on them than after Hughes left. It will also blow away any reputation they would like to have for ' Long term' management - even though it is the press themselves continually speculating on no information whatsoever. The club were shocked at the press response to Hughes going and do not want to repeat the trick.

That said I can see Mancini resigning.[/quote]

He wont be sacked imo. He will resign or have a mutual agreement.

The club shoudl realise that treading on eggshells to make journos and rovals happy won't work. We could donate £10m to charity and they'd twist it never the less.

Fuck what people think, lets worry about number one and fuck everyone else. CITY and CITY only, I could not give a flying fuck what John Cross thinks or the tripe he writes. When we top the league and are in teh leter stages of Europe the ugly bastard will eat humble pie.

If that donation were made, the Daily Star and others would claim it was a shameless tax dodge, and unethical in the extreme.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:52 am --

NipHolmes said:
Blue Heaven said:
Haha. I'm not a mind reader, just summarising what's happened and adding my thoughts. He was successful at his brief stint at Chelsea, players loved him and most importantly so did the owner, yet he walked away. He was offered a great contract on more money than any manager at that time yet still didn't fancy it. Instead he sits pretty managing fading greats and cash-hungry players at Anzhi living the life. He speaks Russian and lives in the capital and rakes in a fortune and is content (by looks of it).

Bobby imo will go to Monaco. I'd like to see him go to Roma to try and beat Milan and Juventus and I will back him all the way there but imo Monaco is the better number and that's where he will go next. Alternatively maybe replace Prandelli after a years rest and take over after 2014 possibly? Who knows but my money is on Monaco.

Hiddink will get bored, eventually. However, if and when he does, will he look for a new position, or simply retire? Full disclosure: I recently sent Txiki an e-mail suggesting that he consider Johan Cruyff as our next manager. No response was forthcoming...;-) My Ajax-loving friend in Zwolle dismissed this as "science fiction" but I continue to rally for the improbable. If Txiki wants the ultimate "total football"/Barca guy, and someone he can trust, Cruyff would be fascinating. It was Cruyff who suggested to Barca that they hire Txiki to be their DOF.

Cruyff suggested to Txiki that we employ De Boer ;)

I think De Boer to City is most probable. If we do retain the services of Manicni for another season then I think De Boer will take over then. If not I can see him now. The only reason he may not get the job is because of Pellegrini's experience possibly. I personally reckon De Boer is the man, he's Ajax and Barca coached, knows it inside and out, good at bringing youth through and gets 100% out his team. Also speaks English, Dutch (obviously), Spanish and German I believe.

If de Boer comes to City, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bergkamp become manager at Ajax.[/quote]

Bergkamp is welcome here, afterall we have his ex team-mate here ;)

Seriously though I agree. He and Overmars will take over.
 
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