Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

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Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

After losing 3–2 in Barcelona in the first leg of the 2012 Supercopa de España, Real Madrid won the return leg in Madrid 2–1. Real Madrid won the competition on the away goals rule after a tie of 4–4 on aggregate. This meant Mourinho had won every domestic title available for a manager in the Spanish top division within two years. He became the only coach who has won the national Super Cups in four different European countries.[94] This also made Mourinho the first manager in history to win every domestic title, the league championship, cup, super cup, and league cup (if available), in four European leagues.

I like how you and billy dodge his time at madrid
I cant argue with porto and inter
And if bobby wins the prem this season he will have matched the 2 prems and fa cup he did at chelsea<br /><br />-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:29 pm --<br /><br />

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

Sorry to jump into your debate - Yes he has

Really
A title and a cup in 3 years in a 2 horse race where he has outspent the other side 10 fold..

 

[VOOMER]

Last season we were very unlucky not to qualify from our group with our points total. This season we have faced 2 of the best teams in Europe and a competent Ajax side that were 3 minutes away from drawing away at Dortmund. We also very nearly beat Real Madrid and again we were unlucky. Ajax at home could have been very different had we got some decisions. I'm not making excuses but at this level it's small margins.

It's just typical City. You know full well that we'll win the champions league one day in the most ridiculous fashion whilst getting relegated!

I think you have rose coloured glasses on. Or blue ones.

We were shite last year as well. We were extremely fortunate to get to 7 points when 3 of them were from a 90th minute rescue against Villareal at home. And then 3 more when Bayern threw the last game by playing their B side. 10 points flattered us and I am not sure we would have got 10 had Bayern werent already through.

This season we were *battered* in Madrid by a very poor Real side. Yes we might have fluked a win or a point, but it would have been a travesty.

The only game we were unlucky in was Ajax at home, where I do believe we were robbed by some duff refereeing. You would be right to ask why we had to come from 2 down in the first place though.

If you're going to start discounting legitimate victories to fit your agenda then obviously you'll be doing the same regarding the title win?

-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:45 pm --

A one-eyed view. One that the rags are spouting today and will no doubt continue to do until they go out in the next round or two. They weren't so vocal when they failed dismally in Europe last season despite decades and decades of buying success. Only valid if you ignore all the other games we have been involved with this season in our time as CHAMPIONS. And you'd only do that if you were trying to paint a certain picture or had a certain agenda.

It's not great and it doesn't make me happy but we were already out before last night and I'm glad we are not making up the numbers in UEFA's afterthought also-ran competition.

Can I just say for the record... I have NO agenda. I am fully supportive of Mancini and have been since day one and will be until the day he leaves...Didsbury Dave, And Billy can confirm that. I cannot stand Mourinho and believe Pep would be a huge gamble; as I believe I could manage Barca.

I am disappointed we are not in Europe, but I'm not going to start bellyaching because I believe the back 2 back titles is the goal!

I'm just commenting for a post that is the polar opposite of my thoughts, it is fair and balanced... Not OTT

Dethred is an obvious rag. Any blue would know that the owners have not spent anything like £1 billion on the squad, and more to the point wouldn't care less and certainly wouldn't keep repeating it in a single post as if it's some ultimate trump card of criticism.

Correct, the amount spent on players since they arrived is £438 million thats not taking into account any sales.<br /><br />-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:31 pm --<br /><br />

Last season we were very unlucky not to qualify from our group with our points total. This season we have faced 2 of the best teams in Europe and a competent Ajax side that were 3 minutes away from drawing away at Dortmund. We also very nearly beat Real Madrid and again we were unlucky. Ajax at home could have been very different had we got some decisions. I'm not making excuses but at this level it's small margins.

It's just typical City. You know full well that we'll win the champions league one day in the most ridiculous fashion whilst getting relegated!

I think you have rose coloured glasses on. Or blue ones.

We were shite last year as well. We were extremely fortunate to get to 7 points when 3 of them were from a 90th minute rescue against Villareal at home. And then 3 more when Bayern threw the last game by playing their B side. 10 points flattered us and I am not sure we would have got 10 had Bayern werent already through.

This season we were *battered* in Madrid by a very poor Real side. Yes we might have fluked a win or a point, but it would have been a travesty.

The only game we were unlucky in was Ajax at home, where I do believe we were robbed by some duff refereeing. You would be right to ask why we had to come from 2 down in the first place though.

If you're going to start discounting legitimate victories to fit your agenda then obviously you'll be doing the same regarding the title win?

-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:45 pm --

A one-eyed view. One that the rags are spouting today and will no doubt continue to do until they go out in the next round or two. They weren't so vocal when they failed dismally in Europe last season despite decades and decades of buying success. Only valid if you ignore all the other games we have been involved with this season in our time as CHAMPIONS. And you'd only do that if you were trying to paint a certain picture or had a certain agenda.

It's not great and it doesn't make me happy but we were already out before last night and I'm glad we are not making up the numbers in UEFA's afterthought also-ran competition.

Can I just say for the record... I have NO agenda. I am fully supportive of Mancini and have been since day one and will be until the day he leaves...Didsbury Dave, And Billy can confirm that. I cannot stand Mourinho and believe Pep would be a huge gamble; as I believe I could manage Barca.

I am disappointed we are not in Europe, but I'm not going to start bellyaching because I believe the back 2 back titles is the goal!

I'm just commenting for a post that is the polar opposite of my thoughts, it is fair and balanced... Not OTT

Dethred is an obvious rag. Any blue would know that the owners have not spent anything like £1 billion on the squad, and more to the point wouldn't care less and certainly wouldn't keep repeating it in a single post as if it's some ultimate trump card of criticism.

Correct, the amount spent on players since they arrived is £438 million thats not taking into account any sales.

 

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Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

I would have another read of my question billy.

I don't need to. I read it fine the first time. Just showing you the caliber of the guy who's achievements you're attempting to belittle with little success... ;)

I think his point is that great managers sometimes don't win everything Mourinho by his standards could be accused of under performing at Madrid in Europe especially.

I don't think any manager can possibly ever win everything. It's not practical just as no football team can ever win every game. The problem with talking in cliches is you rarely get a sensible discussion. Mourinho is by anyone's standard, the best manager in the world right now. His overall record in the last decade, his win %, the number of trophies he's collected, they all are a testament to that. That may well be a subjective opinion, but it's also one rooted in and supported by the evidence.

We overrate Mancini spectacularly as City supporters - and there's no shame in that as he's our manager. However it shouldn't be "the rule" that we must all overrate Mancini to the point where we are trying to belittle the achievements of one of the greats. Let me put it another way. Cristiano Ronaldo is a better player than Balotelli. I can say that and not fear any backlash from anyone on the forum. Yet to say Mourinho is a better manager than Mancini is to open yourself up to all sorts of accusations of disrespect, short termism, being better off supporting Chelsea etc.

 

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Mourinho has been up against one of the greatest football teams ever seen in Spain and, in that context, his achievements are not too shabby.

I'd rather City got Pep than Jose though but I believe that both represent upgrades on Bobby of the kind that City can no longer afford to ignore.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

After losing 3–2 in Barcelona in the first leg of the 2012 Supercopa de España, Real Madrid won the return leg in Madrid 2–1. Real Madrid won the competition on the away goals rule after a tie of 4–4 on aggregate. This meant Mourinho had won every domestic title available for a manager in the Spanish top division within two years. He became the only coach who has won the national Super Cups in four different European countries.[94] This also made Mourinho the first manager in history to win every domestic title, the league championship, cup, super cup, and league cup (if available), in four European leagues.

I like how you and billy dodge his time at madrid

I'm not dodging anything. So YES he has. I thought that was obvious from my replies.

Barcelona in case you had forgotten are widely regarded as being one of, if not THE best footballing side ever to grace this planet. And under Mourinho's leadership, Real finished 9 points above them.

The rags last season, in case you had forgotten, were one of the worst teams United have put out in the past 10 to 15 years, with 2 old men in midfield, a joke of a goalkeeper an old man in the back 2 and their only decent defender crocked all season. And we beat them on goal difference. On the last day, in unjury time.

I don't know why we are even having this discussion quite honestly.

I will probably get abuse for this, but fuck it, I am going to say it:

Had SAF been our manager last seaon and Bobby theirs, SAF would have walked it.

 

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Mancini, based on his CV, is as good as there is. Our club based on our history, is no where near. We have to look at the bigger picture. We have made huge strides in the last 4 years, but prior to that we were a mess of a club. The teams and managers, we try and compare our selfs (and Mancini), against have never sunk as low as we have, had nowhere near the managerial changes we have and no where near the same negative media attitude. It's great to know that this forum represents .001% of our support. That's not to say this isn't a good forum, but we have so many troll, rags in disguise and way to many journalist coming on here looking for an angle. We are at least 2 years ahead of schedule and yet some on here still want to gripe. So we *ucked up in Europe, how many years did the rags take to get out of the group stages? Winning the league is the number 1 priority this season.

Can you clarify how we are 2 years ahead of schedule please?

We had accelerated spending?
The players are older?
There are limits now on spending?
Whats was we supposed to achieve timeline wise? because some of these players would have been 4 years older
Mancini's objectives were to win a trophy 2 years ago and a serious go at the league last year - as mentioned by our chairman

The official line I remember being said on takeover was to be challenging for the league in 5 years, not winning it, or the champions league in 5 years. What the chairman mentioned in the interview, isn't what was mentioned at the outset.

 

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Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

After losing 3–2 in Barcelona in the first leg of the 2012 Supercopa de España, Real Madrid won the return leg in Madrid 2–1. Real Madrid won the competition on the away goals rule after a tie of 4–4 on aggregate. This meant Mourinho had won every domestic title available for a manager in the Spanish top division within two years. He became the only coach who has won the national Super Cups in four different European countries.[94] This also made Mourinho the first manager in history to win every domestic title, the league championship, cup, super cup, and league cup (if available), in four European leagues.

I like how you and billy dodge his time at madrid

I'm not dodging anything. So YES he has. I thought that was obvious from my replies.

Barcelona in case you had forgotten are widely regarded as being one of, if not THE best footballing side ever to grace this planet. And under Mourinho's leadership, Real finished 9 points above them.

The rags last season, in case you had forgotten, were one of the worst teams United have put out in the past 10 to 15 years, with 2 old men in midfield, a joke of a goalkeeper an old man in the back 2 and their only decent defender crocked all season. And we beat them on goal difference. On the last day, in unjury time.

I don't know why we are even having this discussion quite honestly.

I will probably get abuse for this, but fuck it, I am going to say it:

Had SAF been our manager last seaon and Bobby theirs, SAF would have walked it.

You mean the same alex ferguson who threw one of the biggest leads away with 6 games to go in football history?

 

[crystal_mais]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

After losing 3–2 in Barcelona in the first leg of the 2012 Supercopa de España, Real Madrid won the return leg in Madrid 2–1. Real Madrid won the competition on the away goals rule after a tie of 4–4 on aggregate. This meant Mourinho had won every domestic title available for a manager in the Spanish top division within two years. He became the only coach who has won the national Super Cups in four different European countries.[94] This also made Mourinho the first manager in history to win every domestic title, the league championship, cup, super cup, and league cup (if available), in four European leagues.

I like how you and billy dodge his time at madrid
I cant argue with porto and inter
And if bobby wins the prem this season he will have matched the 2 prems and fa cup he did at chelsea

-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:29 pm --

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

Sorry to jump into your debate - Yes he has

Really
A title and a cup in 3 years in a 2 horse race where he has outspent the other side 10 fold..

Well he has not outspent them 10 fold - If you really want to look at the players. Barca also bought big each year - What both have done is try to do is balance as well as possible. He has spent double but he had to put a team out to beat what is classed as the greatest ever football team.

Madrid net spend inc Outgoings
2010 - -£73m
2011 - -£41m
2012 - +£2

£115m spent v

Barca net spend inc outgoing
2010 - -£17m
2011 - -£11m
2012 - -£28m

£56m

Mancini has spent in excess of £150m and we just about managed to win a league against a far inferior UTD team and been dominated against teams in Europe

Just saying :)

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

I like how you and billy dodge his time at madrid

I'm not dodging anything. So YES he has. I thought that was obvious from my replies.

Barcelona in case you had forgotten are widely regarded as being one of, if not THE best footballing side ever to grace this planet. And under Mourinho's leadership, Real finished 9 points above them.

The rags last season, in case you had forgotten, were one of the worst teams United have put out in the past 10 to 15 years, with 2 old men in midfield, a joke of a goalkeeper an old man in the back 2 and their only decent defender crocked all season. And we beat them on goal difference. On the last day, in unjury time.

I don't know why we are even having this discussion quite honestly.

I will probably get abuse for this, but fuck it, I am going to say it:

Had SAF been our manager last seaon and Bobby theirs, SAF would have walked it.

You mean the same alex ferguson who threw one of the biggest leads away with 6 games to go in football history?

Yes, the very same. The results that guy manages to squeeze out of the bunch of dross they call a team is admirable. Given our resources and players he would have had it sewn up months back.

 

[crystal_mais]

Mancini, based on his CV, is as good as there is. Our club based on our history, is no where near. We have to look at the bigger picture. We have made huge strides in the last 4 years, but prior to that we were a mess of a club. The teams and managers, we try and compare our selfs (and Mancini), against have never sunk as low as we have, had nowhere near the managerial changes we have and no where near the same negative media attitude. It's great to know that this forum represents .001% of our support. That's not to say this isn't a good forum, but we have so many troll, rags in disguise and way to many journalist coming on here looking for an angle. We are at least 2 years ahead of schedule and yet some on here still want to gripe. So we *ucked up in Europe, how many years did the rags take to get out of the group stages? Winning the league is the number 1 priority this season.

Can you clarify how we are 2 years ahead of schedule please?

We had accelerated spending?
The players are older?
There are limits now on spending?
Whats was we supposed to achieve timeline wise? because some of these players would have been 4 years older
Mancini's objectives were to win a trophy 2 years ago and a serious go at the league last year - as mentioned by our chairman

The official line I remember being said on takeover was to be challenging for the league in 5 years, not winning it, or the champions league in 5 years. What the chairman mentioned in the interview, isn't what was mentioned at the outset.

Landscape changed - FFP came in - they had to accelerate spending and objectives were reset. Happens every day in board rooms.

Mancini was aware of it - they had to play down objectives publicly. Internally things are always different