Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[OB1]

It's because some people are fickle and I really think they want us to follow Chelsea down the route of having an owner who acts like a spoilt twat with his toys and throws em out of the pram every fucking year cos he wants more trophies!
If he wins us the league again his year people will still whinge about wanting more success but the Chelsea Abramovich blueprint has shown us what happens when you put a turnstile on the managers door and demand the European cup every bloody year.
We have had two really really hard groups and that is a fact,Mourinho struggled to get Madrid through and thats with a bigger more experienced squad with a European pedigree.
Manchester city are not a european force yet, that is why we need to be patient and as soon as european football is commonplace for our club the confidence all around the stadium will sky rocket from squeeky bum time when the likes of Bayern and Real visit,to a bring it on attitude when Barca and AC visit.

Fans need to be patient it's not the end of the world we are second in the league and our strikers have been hiding all season!
The futures bright and it's Sky blue!

Oh, come on. It's not about wanting to follow the Chelsea model: I'm sure that is anathema to most City supporters and it's not about being impatient. Football is a tough business at the top and City's owners are making a huge investment and they have the right to want the best people in place. They have to decide if Bobby is the best long-term option to manage the team and, if they decide that he isn't and have the opportunity to upgrade, they have to seriously consider it. One and possibly two managers who, in many people's opinion, fit that bill will be looking for a new job at the end of the season. Given that situation and the way in which City are frankly under-performing, you cannot expect some supporters not to want the club to take the decision that those supporters think is in the club's best interests.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

I'm not dodging anything. So YES he has. I thought that was obvious from my replies.

Barcelona in case you had forgotten are widely regarded as being one of, if not THE best footballing side ever to grace this planet. And under Mourinho's leadership, Real finished 9 points above them.

The rags last season, in case you had forgotten, were one of the worst teams United have put out in the past 10 to 15 years, with 2 old men in midfield, a joke of a goalkeeper an old man in the back 2 and their only decent defender crocked all season. And we beat them on goal difference. On the last day, in unjury time.

I don't know why we are even having this discussion quite honestly.

I will probably get abuse for this, but fuck it, I am going to say it:

Had SAF been our manager last seaon and Bobby theirs, SAF would have walked it.

You mean the same alex ferguson who threw one of the biggest leads away with 6 games to go in football history?

i think he`s trying to say with our squad he thinks ferguson would has won by a bigger margin. and i think he has a valid point

Thank you, yes that is exactly what I am saying.

Mancini did an OK job winning the league with our squad last year. Nearly fluffed it, but got over the line in the end. Did he do an OUTSTANDING job? No, not in my view. Got some parts right, made a right fuck up of other bits.

Are there other managers around who with our resources would have done better? Yes, I think that's beyond much doubt.

 

[lust overlord]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

I'm not dodging anything. So YES he has. I thought that was obvious from my replies.

Barcelona in case you had forgotten are widely regarded as being one of, if not THE best footballing side ever to grace this planet. And under Mourinho's leadership, Real finished 9 points above them.

The rags last season, in case you had forgotten, were one of the worst teams United have put out in the past 10 to 15 years, with 2 old men in midfield, a joke of a goalkeeper an old man in the back 2 and their only decent defender crocked all season. And we beat them on goal difference. On the last day, in unjury time.

I don't know why we are even having this discussion quite honestly.

I will probably get abuse for this, but fuck it, I am going to say it:

Had SAF been our manager last seaon and Bobby theirs, SAF would have walked it.

You mean the same alex ferguson who threw one of the biggest leads away with 6 games to go in football history?

i think he`s trying to say with our squad he thinks ferguson would has won by a bigger margin. and i think he has a valid point

That's his opinion.We will never know though.

 

[Number13]

No manager lasts forever, except for one particular obnoxious example. I do think however it would provide the disruption our detractors wish for if we were to do the wrong thing IMO. The wrong thing at this time would be to go down the Chelsea route where the Sword of Democles hangs over which ever poor bastard has the job. As a club, as a group of fans we need stability. Mancini puts teams together that get into the CL, with a fair wind and good fortune we stand a good chance of going all the way in the future. We have won the cup and are the current Champions, we need to big that up because sure as shit the media won't do it for us like they do for the rags. For me Mancini stays, it shows the media we have more class than the hire 'em fire 'em rest of the bunch.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

I'm not dodging anything. So YES he has. I thought that was obvious from my replies.

Barcelona in case you had forgotten are widely regarded as being one of, if not THE best footballing side ever to grace this planet. And under Mourinho's leadership, Real finished 9 points above them.

The rags last season, in case you had forgotten, were one of the worst teams United have put out in the past 10 to 15 years, with 2 old men in midfield, a joke of a goalkeeper an old man in the back 2 and their only decent defender crocked all season. And we beat them on goal difference. On the last day, in unjury time.

I don't know why we are even having this discussion quite honestly.

I will probably get abuse for this, but fuck it, I am going to say it:

Had SAF been our manager last seaon and Bobby theirs, SAF would have walked it.

You mean the same alex ferguson who threw one of the biggest leads away with 6 games to go in football history?

i think he`s trying to say with our squad he thinks ferguson would has won by a bigger margin. and i think he has a valid point

I know what he is trying to say and i disagree,
He got lower points totals with some of his better assembled teams in the past
Mancini got under his skin and the rags and fergie bottled it
Lets give mancini some credit ffs

 

[Tevez City]

I think he is under achieving with the money he spent ( Something around 250-300 Million Pound ).

Maybe its not his fault and Marwood or whoever in charge over transfers didn't help him to bring the players he wants, but when I see how much Dortmund squad cost and how they manage to top the group of death you can't do anything but to praise their manager.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You mean the same alex ferguson who threw one of the biggest leads away with 6 games to go in football history?

i think he`s trying to say with our squad he thinks ferguson would has won by a bigger margin. and i think he has a valid point

Thank you, yes that is exactly what I am saying.

Mancini did an OK job winning the league with our squad last year. Nearly fluffed it, but got over the line in the end. Did he do an OUTSTANDING job? No, not in my view. Got some parts right, made a right fuck up of other bits.

Are there other managers around who with our resources would have done better? Yes, I think that's beyond much doubt.

Just out of curiosity how many points do you think fergie would of got with our team
You said he would of had it sewn up months before the end

 

[OB1]

I think the Rags overachieved last season more than City underachieved and I'm not convinced that SAF would have got more points with City than Mancini did. The Rags are the product of many years work by SAF and achieving that effect and the much more rapid success that Mancini achieved are tow different things.

 

[Dethred]

The biggest problem for Mancini isn't just that he isn't getting the job done in Europe. The biggest problem for him is that this is a pattern for him, and the last time he was replaced was after winning a third consecutive title. He was sacked after winning three titles on the trot, and then his successor took his foundation and won the treble. If you look to the past to make decisions on the future (which sane humans tend to do), you see the same pattern playing out.

Mancini will hopefully deny Fergiscum another title then bow out gracefully with a new job lined up. He will go down as a City Legend with Joe Mercer as company, and city can make the changes necessary for European success.

 

[LoveCity]

His European record with us is shambolic, but if we could mirror what he did at Inter that would be fine for our current level. Look at his CL record at Inter, yes he didn't win it but would you complain with winning the group and going out in the quarters like his Inter did?

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[OB1]

The biggest problem for Mancini isn't just that he isn't getting the job done in Europe. The biggest problem for him is that this is a pattern for him, and the last time he was replaced was after winning a third consecutive title. He was sacked after winning three titles on the trot, and then his successor took his foundation and won the treble. If you look to the past to make decisions on the future (which sane humans tend to do), you see the same pattern playing out.

Mancini will hopefully deny Fergiscum another title then bow out gracefully with a new job lined up. He will go down as a City Legend with Joe Mercer as company, and city can make the changes necessary for European success.

Win the double then head off to AC Milan with Mario on his coat-tails would be the perfect scenario.

 

[robbieh]

All this eulogising of Ferguson is wrong.

He's a good manager who for 25 years has been in charge of the richest club in the world bar none.

In that time he has won two champions leagues, both of which were extremely fortuitous.

In the same period Milan have won 5, Barca 4 and so on. In other words hardly dominating Europe.

 

[Chippy_boy]

All this eulogising of Ferguson is wrong.

He's a good manager who for 25 years has been in charge of the richest club in the world bar none.

In that time he has won two champions leagues, both of which were extremely fortuitous.

In the same period Milan have won 5, Barca 4 and so on. In other words hardly dominating Europe.

Richest in terms of annual revenues yes. Rich in terms of the board's preparedness to spend silly money, no absolutely not.

The Galactico signings - Eto'o, Ibra, Kaka, Zidane etc etc - have never gone to United. He's had to work with Danny fucking Welbeck for god's sake. Can you imagine Real or Barca signing Danny fucking Welbeck. Good grief.

So I take your point, but he has done pretty damned well overall and since the fall from grace of Arsene Wenger over the past 7 or 8 years, is probably regarded as the best Premier League manager ever.

 

[Brendan110_0]

All this eulogising of Ferguson is wrong.

He's a good manager who for 25 years has been in charge of the richest club in the world bar none.

In that time he has won two champions leagues, both of which were extremely fortuitous.

In the same period Milan have won 5, Barca 4 and so on. In other words hardly dominating Europe.

And can people remind me how many CL titles Arsenal have (considering they've been in CL for 16 years on the trot). Unless you win the pot IT MEANS NOTHING, I swear some would rather us reach the semis of CL than win the league!!!!!

 

[robbieh]

All this eulogising of Ferguson is wrong.

He's a good manager who for 25 years has been in charge of the richest club in the world bar none.

In that time he has won two champions leagues, both of which were extremely fortuitous.

In the same period Milan have won 5, Barca 4 and so on. In other words hardly dominating Europe.

Richest in terms of annual revenues yes. Rich in terms of the board's preparedness to spend silly money, no absolutely not.

The Galactico signings - Eto'o, Ibra, Kaka, Zidane etc etc - have never gone to United. He's had to work with Danny fucking Welbeck for god's sake. Can you imagine Real or Barca signing Danny fucking Welbeck. Good grief.

So I take your point, but he has done pretty damned well overall and since the fall from grace of Arsene Wenger over the past 7 or 8 years, is probably regarded as the best Premier League manager ever.

I think you'll find Ferdinand's and Rooney's inflation adjusted prices were in excess of 45 million at current prices. And there are loads more where those came from. To quote Harry, Fergie blew all domestic competition out of the water. Until the Glazers, Chelsea and then City came along.

 

[Chippy_boy]

All this eulogising of Ferguson is wrong.

He's a good manager who for 25 years has been in charge of the richest club in the world bar none.

In that time he has won two champions leagues, both of which were extremely fortuitous.

In the same period Milan have won 5, Barca 4 and so on. In other words hardly dominating Europe.

Richest in terms of annual revenues yes. Rich in terms of the board's preparedness to spend silly money, no absolutely not.

The Galactico signings - Eto'o, Ibra, Kaka, Zidane etc etc - have never gone to United. He's had to work with Danny fucking Welbeck for god's sake. Can you imagine Real or Barca signing Danny fucking Welbeck. Good grief.

So I take your point, but he has done pretty damned well overall and since the fall from grace of Arsene Wenger over the past 7 or 8 years, is probably regarded as the best Premier League manager ever.

I think you'll find Ferdinand's and Rooney's inflation adjusted prices were in excess of 45 million at current prices. And there are loads more where those came from. To quote Harry, Fergie blew all domestic competition out of the water. Until the Glazers, Chelsea and then City came along.

Understood and agreed. My comments were in relation to his "relatively" poor performance in Europe. His spending compared to the top European clubs is not so enormous, far from it.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I am absolutely amazed at how City fans could belittle our first top division win in 44 years, all in the name of discreditting our manager!

*shakes head in disbelief and wonders what has taken over the City supporter*

 

[Newman Noggs]

For me it's enough that the entire media wants him sacked. Does no-one else find it odd that the same hacks were all so upset when Hughes got sacked when he was failing so badly. To me it proves Mancini's feared and that's good enough for me.

 

[chesterbells]

I am absolutely amazed at how City fans could belittle our first top division win in 44 years, all in the name of discreditting our manager!

*shakes head in disbelief and wonders what has taken over the City supporter*

He's a (very well paid) hired employee of the club we love, lets not get too over the top. When his time at the club is eventually up, he'll move on quite easily, and so will all of us fans.

For me, I in no way want to belittle what we did. I may not see it happen again, and i'll never forget it. Its not about discrediting the manager, its about having an open mind if another manager, a better manager, becomes available to hire. No need for the drama

 

[sir baconface]

Despite all the interesting debate, who the fuck are we supposed to replace him with:

A) Mourinho - by common consent a great manager but also a graceless twunt who would grate with many supporters' values (and probably the owners too), or
B) Guardiola - by common consent a fantastic achiever with Barca, and a much more acceptable human being, but with no experience elsewhere?

Answer either of these and half the forum will disagree. Let's give Mancini until the end of the season at the very least, please.