Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[Cellarite]

Depends which way you want to look at it.
The question is can Mancini EVER win us the champions league?
On the evidence of consistent disastrous european campaigns since his tenure began than you would have to say no. People have to look at the facts.

The evidence screams that he is out of his depth in the champions league. It's ridiculous to argue anything else.

Whilst his record in the knockout stages is unimpressive, let's not forget that Italian sides were hardly dominant through the last decade.

In four seasons with Inter Milan, he won 21 Champions League matches and has won a quarter of his Champions League matches with City. Does it need improving? Of course. To suggest he is out of his depth though is ludicrous.

2004-05
Inter Milan 4-1 Basle
Inter Milan 2-0 Werder Bremen
Anderlecht 1-3 Inter Milan
Valencia 1-5 Inter Milan
Inter Milan 3-0 Anderlecht
Inter Milan 3-1 FC Porto

2005-06
Shakhtar Donetsk 0-2 Inter Milan
Inter Milan 4-0 Artmedia
Inter Milan 2-1 FC Porto
Artmedia 0-1 Inter Milan
Inter Milan 1-0 Rangers
Inter Milan 1-0 Ajax
Inter Milan 2-1 Villareal

2006-07
Inter Milan 2-1 Spartak Moscow
Inter Milan 1-0 Sporting Lisbon
Spartak Moscow 0-1 Inter Milan

2007-08
Inter Milan 4-2 CSKA Moscow
Inter Milan 3-0 Fenerbahce
Inter Milan 2-0 PSV Eindhoven
CSKA Moscow 1-2 Inter Milan
PSV Eindhoven 0-1 Inter Milan

 

[robbieh]

All this eulogising of Ferguson is wrong.

He's a good manager who for 25 years has been in charge of the richest club in the world bar none.

In that time he has won two champions leagues, both of which were extremely fortuitous.

In the same period Milan have won 5, Barca 4 and so on. In other words hardly dominating Europe.

I think you are missing the fact that Fergiescum didn't have anything like a stellar squad for much of his time at The Swamp.

Mancini has World Cup winners, Euro winners and CL winners in his squad pretty much from day 1.

He still managers to be as tactically inept in Europe as he always was.

Can't fault the guy domestically but in Europe....

A lot of Blues need to realise that he is not indispensable. We went thru all this with Sven!

OK lets start with McClair, Hughes, Stam, Kanchelskis, Ince, Giggs, Scoles, Van Nistleroy, Sheringham, Cole, Yorke, Keane, Robson, Ferdinand, Rooney, Schmeicel, Beckham, Veron, Cantona, do I really need to go on.

 

[hgblue]

i'm not keen on some of bob tactics and substitutions and have said so from day one but it is vital we put all this talk of a change to bed. we need to show unity roll our sleeves up and win the prem again. bob to me has earned the chance to sort our problems out. that starts with a solid city beating the rags on sunday.

Don't mean to pick on your words mate, but really I don't think it's vital we put all this talk to bed. In fact I wouldn't say it was even important, or actually relevant. We can say what we like and it makes no difference.

ADUG will decide what to do, or not do, and all talk on here is banter, nothing more.

Couldn't agree more mate. I can't get my head round people getting upset because people have an different opinion.

 

[chesterbells]

i'm not keen on some of bob tactics and substitutions and have said so from day one but it is vital we put all this talk of a change to bed. we need to show unity roll our sleeves up and win the prem again. bob to me has earned the chance to sort our problems out. that starts with a solid city beating the rags on sunday.

We have to get behind him but sooner or later ADUG will want to win the champions league to elevate us on a global stage even further. Roll the dice stick with BM until next season but if we have another european failure pep or Jose could be sitting nicely in new jobs. Thats the conundrum which is why I think he has to win the league.

As someone pointed out on another thread, Morinho and Pep will have jobs lined up before the end of the season. The board will have to make a decision before possibly February if they want either of them two to replace him.

Probably, just like Bobby did last season.
There's no surprise in preparing for eventualities

 

[Anonymous]

Depends which way you want to look at it.
The question is can Mancini EVER win us the champions league?
On the evidence of consistent disastrous european campaigns since his tenure began than you would have to say no. People have to look at the facts.

The evidence screams that he is out of his depth in the champions league. It's ridiculous to argue anything else.

He's qualified twice for the Champions League and in qualification 1 we had 10 points from a tough group which would have seen us qualify for the knockout stages in ANY other group that year.

In qualification 2, it has been an unmitigated disaster where we have not won a single game yet bizarrely managed to remain unbeaten at home.

In mitigation, and I could be wrong, but the draw was unprecedented in that the Champions of Spain, Champions of Germany, Champions of Holland and Champions of England were all drawn in the same group. This has NEVER happened before so could be argued as being the toughest group ever drawn in the Champions League.

Moo

 

[Bill]

i'm not keen on some of bob tactics and substitutions and have said so from day one but it is vital we put all this talk of a change to bed. we need to show unity roll our sleeves up and win the prem again. bob to me has earned the chance to sort our problems out. that starts with a solid city beating the rags on sunday.

Don't mean to pick on your words mate, but really I don't think it's vital we put all this talk to bed. In fact I wouldn't say it was even important, or actually relevant. We can say what we like and it makes no difference.

ADUG will decide what to do, or not do, and all talk on here is banter, nothing more.

and they, the press and the tv companies all read this forum, why the hell should we give them bullets to shoot our manager with.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Depends which way you want to look at it.
The question is can Mancini EVER win us the champions league?
On the evidence of consistent disastrous european campaigns since his tenure began than you would have to say no. People have to look at the facts.

The evidence screams that he is out of his depth in the champions league. It's ridiculous to argue anything else.

He's qualified twice for the Champions League and in qualification 1 we had 10 points from a tough group which would have seen us qualify for the knockout stages in ANY other group that year.

In qualification 2, it has been an unmitigated disaster where we have not won a single game yet bizarrely managed to remain unbeaten at home.

In mitigation, and I could be wrong, but the draw was unprecedented in that the Champions of Spain, Champions of Germany, Champions of Holland and Champions of England were all drawn in the same group. This has NEVER happened before so could be argued as being the toughest group ever drawn in the Champions League.

Moo

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

At city I've watched us play maybe 18 or 20 European games under Mancini and I'm struggling to remember a good performance. Tough groups or not, we've been repeatedly out thought and outplayed, many times by teams assembled at a fraction of the cost of ours.

You can't spin it any other way than hugely disappointing. And there has been no evidence whatsoever of improvement or lessons learned.

Poo

 

[LoveCity]

The Guardian says tonight his job is not under any immediate threat at all and there is a degree of understanding from Khaldoon. But does say there is added pressure to win the league now.

 

[Anonymous]

The evidence screams that he is out of his depth in the champions league. It's ridiculous to argue anything else.

He's qualified twice for the Champions League and in qualification 1 we had 10 points from a tough group which would have seen us qualify for the knockout stages in ANY other group that year.

In qualification 2, it has been an unmitigated disaster where we have not won a single game yet bizarrely managed to remain unbeaten at home.

In mitigation, and I could be wrong, but the draw was unprecedented in that the Champions of Spain, Champions of Germany, Champions of Holland and Champions of England were all drawn in the same group. This has NEVER happened before so could be argued as being the toughest group ever drawn in the Champions League.

Moo

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

At city I've watched us play maybe 18 or 20 European games under Mancini and I'm struggling to remember a good performance. Tough groups or not, we've been repeatedly out thought and outplayed, many times by teams assembled at a fraction of the cost of ours.

You can't spin it any other way than hugely disappointing. And there has been no evidence whatsoever of improvement or lessons learned.

Poo

Don't disagree at all; it is hugely disappointing but is it really the time to sack the Mancini just because Moo has fluttered his eye lashes once again? If we had done that last time Moo blew us a kiss, we'd have been left with a full English on our face wouldn't we?

Moo is a winner - we get that. However we seem to take it as a given that he will win us the Champions League. He might do better - get us to quarters/semis even a final but there is absolutely no guarantee. He failed to do so with Chelsea in spite of having a really good team and has failed to do so, so far, with Madrid.

Moo

-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:07 pm --

The Guardian says tonight his job is not under any immediate threat at all and there is a degree of understanding from Khaldoon. But does say there is added pressure to win the league now.

Exactly how it should be given the current circumstances.

Moo

 

[Cellarite]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

 

[Davs 19]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

Nail on head Kev.

 

[Cellarite]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

Nail on head Kev.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good whinge though eh?

 

[TCIB]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

Your correct, Didsbury Dave trying to lie to enforce his point shocker.

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7426549.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 426549.stm</a>

Does he have any credibility as a poster left because i sure as shit gave up reading his boring monotonous mantra type posts regarding Mancini a long time ago.

 

[Danielmanc]

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

Nail on head Kev.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good whinge though eh?

Or on the case of DD...never let the truth get in the way of a good piece of arrogant fuckwittery...eh ?

 

[Cellarite]

My first ever reply to him and I've already blown him out of the water.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

He's qualified twice for the Champions League and in qualification 1 we had 10 points from a tough group which would have seen us qualify for the knockout stages in ANY other group that year.

In qualification 2, it has been an unmitigated disaster where we have not won a single game yet bizarrely managed to remain unbeaten at home.

In mitigation, and I could be wrong, but the draw was unprecedented in that the Champions of Spain, Champions of Germany, Champions of Holland and Champions of England were all drawn in the same group. This has NEVER happened before so could be argued as being the toughest group ever drawn in the Champions League.

Moo

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

At city I've watched us play maybe 18 or 20 European games under Mancini and I'm struggling to remember a good performance. Tough groups or not, we've been repeatedly out thought and outplayed, many times by teams assembled at a fraction of the cost of ours.

You can't spin it any other way than hugely disappointing. And there has been no evidence whatsoever of improvement or lessons learned.

Poo

Don't disagree at all; it is hugely disappointing but is it really the time to sack the Mancini just because Moo has fluttered his eye lashes once again? If we had done that last time Moo blew us a kiss, we'd have been left with a full English on our face wouldn't we?

Moo is a winner - we get that. However we seem to take it as a given that he will win us the Champions League. He might do better - get us to quarters/semis even a final but there is absolutely no guarantee. He failed to do so with Chelsea in spite of having a really good team and has failed to do so, so far, with Madrid.

Moo

-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:07 pm --

The Guardian says tonight his job is not under any immediate threat at all and there is a degree of understanding from Khaldoon. But does say there is added pressure to win the league now.

Exactly how it should be given the current circumstances.

Moo

we are going round in circles. I don't think he should be sacked now, I think he should be given to the end of the season. The candidate pool will be so much better then, and regardless, he's earned the chance to retain his title.

I haven't seem the guardian story but I assume it's Daniel Taylor and I assume he's got that from Marwood. I wouldn't expect him to say anything else, although if there's a veiled threat in there it could be significant.

I think everyone with perspective agrees that failure to win the league will see Mancini out of a job. He's under huge pressure and that could really ramp up over the next couple of weeks.

Alternatively he could turn it around like he did in the wembley derby 2011 and after highbury 2012. A lot will depend now on the players too. At the risk of opening up a new can of worms, There could be a chance they smell his blood.

 

[LoveCity]

It's not Dan Taylor, he's been promoted to some other role now, it's Jamie Jackson now.

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[TCIB]

My first ever reply to him and I've already blown him out of the water.

"Of course you want players like that at your club but what can you do you know.
When the citykevs of this world start sniffing around you have no chance, they blew us out the water"

 

[Danielmanc]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

Your correct, Didsbury Dave trying to lie to enforce his point shocker.

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7426549.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 426549.stm</a>

Does he have any credibility as a poster left because i sure as shit gave up reading his boring monotonous mantra type posts regarding Mancini a long time ago.

I don't think anyone gives two shits (or even one) about what he thinks / posts

 

[Davs 19]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

At city I've watched us play maybe 18 or 20 European games under Mancini and I'm struggling to remember a good performance. Tough groups or not, we've been repeatedly out thought and outplayed, many times by teams assembled at a fraction of the cost of ours.

You can't spin it any other way than hugely disappointing. And there has been no evidence whatsoever of improvement or lessons learned.

Poo

Don't disagree at all; it is hugely disappointing but is it really the time to sack the Mancini just because Moo has fluttered his eye lashes once again? If we had done that last time Moo blew us a kiss, we'd have been left with a full English on our face wouldn't we?

Moo is a winner - we get that. However we seem to take it as a given that he will win us the Champions League. He might do better - get us to quarters/semis even a final but there is absolutely no guarantee. He failed to do so with Chelsea in spite of having a really good team and has failed to do so, so far, with Madrid.

Moo

-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:07 pm --

The Guardian says tonight his job is not under any immediate threat at all and there is a degree of understanding from Khaldoon. But does say there is added pressure to win the league now.

Exactly how it should be given the current circumstances.

Moo

we are going round in circles. I don't think he should be sacked now, I think he should be given to the end of the season. The candidate pool will be so much better then, and regardless, he's earned the chance to retain his title.

I haven't seem the guardian story but I assume it's Daniel Taylor and I assume he's got that from Marwood. I wouldn't expect him to say anything else, although if there's a veiled threat in there it could be significant.

I think everyone with perspective agrees that failure to win the league will see Mancini out of a job. He's under huge pressure and that could really ramp up over the next couple of weeks.

Alternatively he could turn it around like he did in the wembley derby 2011 and after highbury 2012. A lot will depend now on the players too. At the risk of opening up a new can of worms, There could be a chance they smell his blood.

Oh dear. So your current stand point is, in fact, that anything could happen ?

You have more positions than the Karma Sutra.