Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[George Hannah]

Vinny has been told of the immediate future, he likes it, he likes it a fucking lot....

I have been unable to find this quote - these are the RMC interview highlights, perhaps the comment was made in a fuller version available somewhere else? I'd appreciate a link if so.

Vincent Kompany Interview - 22/04/2013 by Hamza.B

Today the captain Vincent Kompany was invited by Luis Fernandez on RMC, an interview spot for the "tower europe captains" where they could talk about Manchester City and Belgian selection, here are the highlights.

Samir Nasri: "What we feel in the group, this is not what is written in the newspapers. When Samir is shaped, it has a significant impact on team performance. It is important for us. Next season and is prepared if he can get this level of performance, there will be an exceptional player and more. When he is at Manchester City, it is very serene and quiet. Like everyone else, he has good and bad days. Does the job for the team. I do not know if he thinks the team of France. All I can say is that following the results of the Blues. "

Vincent has analyzed the following season City: "From a historical perspective finish 2nd is a great result, but we are not the same club now. When you taste the success you want to relive again but we could not do it and it's disappointing but there's four other teams who want such, we should have done better. We must win the FA Cup to give a better face to our season if we win it will be "good" but not enough since we failed in Europe. "

About his future and the future of the club: "I think winning the Champions League is inevitable for City, we work for it, so the club is progressing behind the scenes and it also comes on the field. I recently extended for six years and you know that there's projects at the turn of the City Academy and all the facilities you will not be asking me this question (he was asked whether he saw his future City or elsewhere, Ed) I have the opportunity to win trophies and I want to do in City. "

He concluded by referring to the Belgian selection: "It has huge potential. Before, the level was better in clubs that selection. Today, it begins to balance and it gets interesting. The most exciting is that we have plenty of players like Hazard which is huge room for improvement. Eden is already accomplishing things unparalleled in England. It's exciting for us. Everything seems to go in the right direction. The World Cup is a must for our generation. The great strength of our team is the solidarity and friendship, this is the perfect group. The secret of Belgium, it is. It is a welded super group in harmony with the fans. "
<a class="postlink" href="http://mancity.fr/breve-2601-vincent-kompany-se-livre-sur-rmc-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://mancity.fr/breve-2601-vincent-ko ... -rmc-.html</a>

That's not it.

He was asked about joining Barca and tweeted something like (but not exactly) "If you knew what City were planning you wouldnt ask such a question". REgardless of the accuracy, it was a comment which could be read many ways of course.

Thanks for that, his actual tweet seems to have disappeared then?

 

[Nevizade]

Vinny has been told of the immediate future, he likes it, he likes it a fucking lot....

I have been unable to find this quote - these are the RMC interview highlights, perhaps the comment was made in a fuller version available somewhere else? I'd appreciate a link if so.

Vincent Kompany Interview - 22/04/2013 by Hamza.B

Today the captain Vincent Kompany was invited by Luis Fernandez on RMC, an interview spot for the "tower europe captains" where they could talk about Manchester City and Belgian selection, here are the highlights.

Samir Nasri: "What we feel in the group, this is not what is written in the newspapers. When Samir is shaped, it has a significant impact on team performance. It is important for us. Next season and is prepared if he can get this level of performance, there will be an exceptional player and more. When he is at Manchester City, it is very serene and quiet. Like everyone else, he has good and bad days. Does the job for the team. I do not know if he thinks the team of France. All I can say is that following the results of the Blues. "

Vincent has analyzed the following season City: "From a historical perspective finish 2nd is a great result, but we are not the same club now. When you taste the success you want to relive again but we could not do it and it's disappointing but there's four other teams who want such, we should have done better. We must win the FA Cup to give a better face to our season if we win it will be "good" but not enough since we failed in Europe. "

About his future and the future of the club: "I think winning the Champions League is inevitable for City, we work for it, so the club is progressing behind the scenes and it also comes on the field. I recently extended for six years and you know that there's projects at the turn of the City Academy and all the facilities you will not be asking me this question (he was asked whether he saw his future City or elsewhere, Ed) I have the opportunity to win trophies and I want to do in City. "

He concluded by referring to the Belgian selection: "It has huge potential. Before, the level was better in clubs that selection. Today, it begins to balance and it gets interesting. The most exciting is that we have plenty of players like Hazard which is huge room for improvement. Eden is already accomplishing things unparalleled in England. It's exciting for us. Everything seems to go in the right direction. The World Cup is a must for our generation. The great strength of our team is the solidarity and friendship, this is the perfect group. The secret of Belgium, it is. It is a welded super group in harmony with the fans. "
<a class="postlink" href="http://mancity.fr/breve-2601-vincent-kompany-se-livre-sur-rmc-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://mancity.fr/breve-2601-vincent-ko ... -rmc-.html</a>

That's not it.

He was asked about joining Barca and tweeted something like (but not exactly) "If you knew what City were planning you wouldnt ask such a question". REgardless of the accuracy, it was a comment which could be read many ways of course.

Here's your link mate.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2313183/Vincent-Kompany-I-want-stay-Manchester-City--forget-Barcelona.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... elona.html</a>

 

[NipHolmes]

On an a tangent do you think Carlitos may be more willing to sign up for a extension if a new manager is brought in?

Maybe a new lease if life for Samir too?

All things to consider...

 

[Damocles]

Always good to see you back Damo but some of us have never argued against the fact that he's been very successful domestically with 3rd, 2nd (hopefully) and 1st places finishes in his three full seasons plus an FA Cup and another in prospect. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

The problem is that he just hasn't done it in Europe and the project is very dependent on that.

just looked at that chart, Frank Clark 9th best manager in PL history, here i am taking the piss out of stats, hey my hands are up

Haha

I ignored the document original, on the basis of my original point which was the stats can be used to say anything you want.

But I just had a look and saw Phil Neil is the 24th most successful manager in premier league history, Frank Clark 9th, Benitez 5th, Sven 11th and Vialli 6th. Stuart Pearce and Alan Ball are both 30 places ahead of Roberto MArtinez, too.

What a great set of statistics they are. Welcome back Damocles.

You dislike the statistics because you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what they actually say. The statistics cannot legislate for people using them out of context.

I won't go into the full formula used as it's long winded but I would recommend picking up the Pay As You Play book for a full explanation and breakdown team by team.

The basic premise is that they calculate transfer inflation in a similar manner to the Retail Price Index; that is, but instead of using a certain amount of goods, they use every footballer transferred that season. From this point, you have an average transfer value and you can compare across years by looking at inflation of the average value then applying that to the price. For example, the example they use in the book was about Collymore being bought for £8.5m in 1995 when the average transfer was £1.6m suggesting that as by 2008 the average transfer value had risen by 236%, the equivalent transfer in 2008 would have been £28.5m.

Using this method, you can then calculate the cost of an entire squad. Under the principle that the most expensively assembled squad (when equalised) will generally win the league, you can assign predicted positions and use their point totals to see the adjusted cost of each point. This is one method of determining under and over achieving in a quantifiable way instead of relying on more subjective thoughts about who should finish where.

The table that I linked shows the manager who provided the most value for money on a cost per point basis when adjusted for inflation using the specified method. It is not a method of determining who is the bestest manager in the entire world ever. I posted it in response to your idea that Mancini was a poor manager on a cost per point basis, which it disproves, rather than to make any overall point about manager talent specifically.

EDIT: If anybody cares, the worst points per cost squad in Premier League history was Newcastle under Dalglish at £5.8m spent per point. Mourinho is in the top ten on three occasions, 06/07 in 3rd most expensive of all time, 05/06 in 6th place and 04/05 in 9th. The first City manager to show up was the joint Hughes/Mancini season of 09/10 in 11th place with a cost of £4.2m every point.

The book declares our most valued for money signing at Symons and Immel who started in 100% of all possible games for £1.2m (adjusted £3.2m) and £400k (£1.1m) respectively.

 

[Skashion]

I like this game

To the tune of "Amore"

When you're rivals pull clear
And excuses you hear
That's Roberto

When your team loses games
And you're looking for blame
Not Roberto

When the team's heads are down
On the bench with a frown
That's Roberto

When you give up your cup
And you're asking "What's up"?
Not Roberto




And it's failed yet again
That's Roberto

Oh, dear...thanks, Dave.

Think it will go about as well as his last one, the David Silva, maestro of Maine Road one, did....

 

[Didsbury Dave]

just looked at that chart, Frank Clark 9th best manager in PL history, here i am taking the piss out of stats, hey my hands are up

Haha

I ignored the document original, on the basis of my original point which was the stats can be used to say anything you want.

But I just had a look and saw Phil Neil is the 24th most successful manager in premier league history, Frank Clark 9th, Benitez 5th, Sven 11th and Vialli 6th. Stuart Pearce and Alan Ball are both 30 places ahead of Roberto MArtinez, too.

What a great set of statistics they are. Welcome back Damocles.

You dislike the statistics because you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what they actually say. The statistics cannot legislate for people using them out of context.

I won't go into the full formula used as it's long winded but I would recommend picking up the Pay As You Play book for a full explanation and breakdown team by team.

The basic premise is that they calculate transfer inflation in a similar manner to the Retail Price Index; that is, but instead of using a certain amount of goods, they use every footballer transferred that season. From this point, you have an average transfer value and you can compare across years by looking at inflation of the average value then applying that to the price. For example, the example they use in the book was about Collymore being bought for £8.5m in 1995 when the average transfer was £1.6m suggesting that as by 2008 the average transfer value had risen by 236%, the equivalent transfer in 2008 would have been £28.5m.

Using this method, you can then calculate the cost of an entire squad. Under the principle that the most expensively assembled squad (when equalised) will generally win the league, you can assign predicted positions and use their point totals to see the adjusted cost of each point. This is one method of determining under and over achieving in a quantifiable way instead of relying on more subjective thoughts about who should finish where.

The table that I linked shows the manager who provided the most value for money on a cost per point basis when adjusted for inflation using the specified method. It is not a method of determining who is the bestest manager in the entire world ever. I posted it in response to your idea that Mancini was a poor manager on a cost per point basis, which it disproves, rather than to make any overall point about manager talent specifically.

Mate, you're missing the point spectacularly. My point is the same as yours- that stats without context are meaningless, and even with context they only say so much. Mancini coming in fourth here is as meaningful as phil Neil coming in 14th. Both are skewed by small data samples.

My point about pounds per point was facetious but If I was so inclined I could add up our wage bill over the last three years, add in the transfer fees spent and divide it by the points total and Mancini would come at the bottom of a table which had people like Nigel Adkins and Tony Pulis at the top. But I won't because for one, I can't be bothered, and for two, like the win percentages shit I took exception to, and your table, it would be a largely meaningless set of stats.

Fair play to frank Clark though. Maybe we missed a trick with him ;-)

Welcome back to the forum, by the way. We've missed you.

 

[LoveCity]

Not sure about the first team but something very significant is set to happen soon with our EDS system if everything goes to plan. It's not possible to have a B team in England but think carefully, imagine there is a way around that while accomplishing the same sort of thing...

 

[nickson71]

Not sure about the first team but something very significant is set to happen soon with our EDS system if everything goes to plan. It's not possible to have a B team in England but think carefully, imagine there is a way around that while accomplishing the same sort of thing...

create a new club or buy one and loan all the EDS players to it?

 

[Nevizade]

Not sure about the first team but something very significant is set to happen soon with our EDS system if everything goes to plan. It's not possible to have a B team in England but think carefully, imagine there is a way around that while accomplishing the same sort of thing...

Our lads go to play in one of our affiliate's 'B' team (Espanyol, for example)?

 

[OB1]

you can assign predicted positions and use their point totals to see the adjusted cost of each point. This is one method of determining under and over achieving in a quantifiable way instead of relying on more subjective thoughts about who should finish where.

So hold on a minute, are you saying that the cost per point is based on an estimate of how well a team should do i.e. it is not simply cost divided by number of points achieved?