Bluemoon115
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So another toothless performance followed by more excuses.
Same old, same old.
Same old, same old.
Paulmcfc2703 said:Fuck me.moomba said:Paulmcfc2703 said:Wasn't that their first ever game in the Premier League? In fact wasn't that at the start of last season before Mancini was found out?
Found out by winning the league with 89 points?
High pressing sides have found us out. This season has proved that.
Didn't realise I had to spell that out but there you go.
Jupp Heynckes and Guus Hiddink are out of jobs in the summer, De Boer has said he wants to come here also. Ambitious attempts to hijack Chelsea and Real's respective deals for Mourinho and Ancelotti possible too.dctid said:I think Mancini future is in the balance
If i owned the club i would look at what Feguson did 2012 season with an injury riddled team and pushed Mancini right to the final day then look at what he did 2013 season with pretty much the same team RVP apart (Kagawa has hardly been a major contributir) and then factor into the equation the very rea possability of Mouriniho at Chelski and ask is Mancini likely to have sufficient nouse, team management and tactical nouse to beat Ferguson and Mouriniho
I think it likely that he wont but then the question is which other manager available is good enough to take on both and win
Personally i cant see any one else so stick with Mancini BUT Pellagrini's performance in the CL has got to make them interested
moomba said:Paulmcfc2703 said:Fuck me.moomba said:Found out by winning the league with 89 points?
High pressing sides have found us out. This season has proved that.
Didn't realise I had to spell that out but there you go.
Common sense tells you that organised, defensive teams that scrap are harder to beat than those that sit back and let you play.
Its not just us, every team in the world can struggle against that approach if they are not on top form. Taking your chances is the best way to negate that approach and all too often we've failed to take our chances this season.
I'd also argue that on occasion our players have failed to match the commitment and effort shown by the likes of Everton for example.
RM has to take some responsibility for that of course but so too do the players that don't perform in there situations.
But we have proven many occasions that we can beat "high pressing teams". And beat them well.
waspish said:OB1 said:waspish said:Controlled the game from start to finish missed chances has been our problem!
Mancini sets em up the players do the rest...
Next season it will be different
Why will it be different?
Just a feeling
blueinsa said:moomba said:Paulmcfc2703 said:Fuck me.
High pressing sides have found us out. This season has proved that.
Didn't realise I had to spell that out but there you go.
Common sense tells you that organised, defensive teams that scrap are harder to beat than those that sit back and let you play.
Its not just us, every team in the world can struggle against that approach if they are not on top form. Taking your chances is the best way to negate that approach and all too often we've failed to take our chances this season.
I'd also argue that on occasion our players have failed to match the commitment and effort shown by the likes of Everton for example.
RM has to take some responsibility for that of course but so too do the players that don't perform in there situations.
But we have proven many occasions that we can beat "high pressing teams". And beat them well.
Moomba you are right to criticise the players performances and some on show today were once again, way below whats acceptable but at what point do you start asking the question, why does he keep picking them?
Football is a results business and virtually every manager that has ever got the boot has done so because his players have not performed and have let him down.
Bob will be no different and i find it frustrating that so many seem hell bent on trying to reinvent how football works in the real world.
Bob is a football professional and knows full well how it works and what will happen should HIS team not bring home the bacon.
Go on fella, hit him with the figures.moomba said:Master_Tactician said:You call it self-entitlement, I call it ambition. Mancini's £500m worth of transfer fees just about gives me that.Yaya_Tony said:And where has this sense of entitlement come from Mr Master_Tactician? Mancini did get Inter out of the group stages iirc, to the QF I think, the rest of your post is nonsensical soundbites. Logic over hope? Logic dictates that a new manager will cause upheaval, at a stage when we are looking to capitalise on what we have already built. Logically, we shouldn't even be having this "debate".
Which £500m?
moomba said:blueinsa said:moomba said:Common sense tells you that organised, defensive teams that scrap are harder to beat than those that sit back and let you play.
Its not just us, every team in the world can struggle against that approach if they are not on top form. Taking your chances is the best way to negate that approach and all too often we've failed to take our chances this season.
I'd also argue that on occasion our players have failed to match the commitment and effort shown by the likes of Everton for example.
RM has to take some responsibility for that of course but so too do the players that don't perform in there situations.
But we have proven many occasions that we can beat "high pressing teams". And beat them well.
Moomba you are right to criticise the players performances and some on show today were once again, way below whats acceptable but at what point do you start asking the question, why does he keep picking them?
Football is a results business and virtually every manager that has ever got the boot has done so because his players have not performed and have let him down.
Bob will be no different and i find it frustrating that so many seem hell bent on trying to reinvent how football works in the real world.
Bob is a football professional and knows full well how it works and what will happen should HIS team not bring home the bacon.
I have no problem with RM being judged on performances. To date I think we gave had three years of good progress results wise and a backward step this season.
As a general rule I think the club should be able to live with a backward step (season) without needing to make major changes. I doubt they will accept two backward steps and that's fair enough IMO.
"500million" gives you that much self entitlement (sorry, "ambition")? Money doesn't buy success or happiness, sorry to break it to you.Master_Tactician said:You call it self-entitlement, I call it ambition. Mancini's £500m worth of transfer fees just about gives me that.Yaya_Tony said:And where has this sense of entitlement come from Mr Master_Tactician? Mancini did get Inter out of the group stages iirc, to the QF I think, the rest of your post is nonsensical soundbites. Logic over hope? Logic dictates that a new manager will cause upheaval, at a stage when we are looking to capitalise on what we have already built. Logically, we shouldn't even be having this "debate".Master_Tactician said:We don't expect to win the Champions League, we just expect to get out of the group stage at the minimum. Mancini has had multiples opportunities at Inter and Manchester City to prove the theory that he can't hack it in the Champions League is wrong, and he hasn't taken one. Sooner or later you have to choose logic over hope.
This squad is the strongest in England, why is it so unrealistic to expect not to get dicked by Manchester United in the title race?
Mourinho replacing him at Inter and winning the Champions League in his second season didn't make Mancini's QF achievement look too impressive.
The near total consensus on here is that a summer of upheaval is needed as we shift out the dead wood and bring in some fresh quality, to clarify you are going contrary to that and saying we need austere stability?