moomba said:blueinsa said:moomba said:I have no problem with RM being judged on performances. To date I think we gave had three years of good progress results wise and a backward step this season.
As a general rule I think the club should be able to live with a backward step (season) without needing to make major changes. I doubt they will accept two backward steps and that's fair enough IMO.
I have no issue in finishing 2nd in the league or not winning a trophy for that matter as long as we have played to our potential for the majority of the season but this year we havnt and its a major worry to see a side that was spellbinding at times last season look so out of form on so many occasions this year.
If he stays and I think he will, he has to address the squad deficiencies this summer and he has to ask himself if he needs to change our style of play and inject much needed width and pace.
He does that and bingo, he doesn't and its curtains imo.
Backward step for me is about results and performances, not just results. And I would agree that another season like this (and I've lived through one or two worse than this) and changes will be made.
I'm not arguing (and gave argued) that this season hasnt been disappointing by any means.
Just don't like the idea that you can go forward, and forward and forward and then at the first sign of a problem you start again.
Gaylord du Bois said:Net £180m if Moomba's figures are correct. Whichever way you look at it its a fuck sight different than 500m don't you think?greasedupdeafguy said:Mancini has spent just over 300 million, we have probably spent around 500 million in total since the takeover. Net spend will obviously be lower.Gaylord du Bois said:Go on fella, hit him with the figures.
hgblue said:I agree with you but the problem is that Mourinho is available now and won't be next season if Mancini fails again in the Champs League and Prem. In fact, not only will he not be available, but he'll be actively working against us for a direct rival. So do you stick with Mancini and hope this season was just a blip, or do you go all out to bring the best in the business to your club? Sorry Mancini lovers, but it's option 2 for me.
Kazzydeyna said:Can I just ask the Colin Schindler's of this forum a genuine question please?
Let's hypothesize that we go all out and get Jose in the summer. And give him major money to spend.
If in two years time all he has achieved is a premier league title and an fa cup, after you've then sacked him for not being successful enough, who would you replace him with?
And where would the subsequent financial upheaval leave us in relation to ffp?
Like we should have done last summer instead of panic buying on the last day of the window?blueinsa said:he has to address the squad deficiencies this summer
Well Heynckes won't have a club and says he doesn't want to retire yet...dctid said:Master_Tactician said:Jupp Heynckes and Guus Hiddink are out of jobs in the summer, De Boer has said he wants to come here also. Ambitious attempts to hijack Chelsea and Real's respective deals for Mourinho and Ancelotti possible too.dctid said:I think Mancini future is in the balance
If i owned the club i would look at what Feguson did 2012 season with an injury riddled team and pushed Mancini right to the final day then look at what he did 2013 season with pretty much the same team RVP apart (Kagawa has hardly been a major contributir) and then factor into the equation the very rea possability of Mouriniho at Chelski and ask is Mancini likely to have sufficient nouse, team management and tactical nouse to beat Ferguson and Mouriniho
I think it likely that he wont but then the question is which other manager available is good enough to take on both and win
Personally i cant see any one else so stick with Mancini BUT Pellagrini's performance in the CL has got to make them interested
Mouriniho wont come - Ancelotti likely Real cant see any of those going elsewhere - Hiddink nah cant see it especially with his ties to Abramovich - De Boeryes but is he really better than Mancini - not sure to be honest
Heynckes yup good call - did not think about him to be honest but would he be available
Way to miss the point completely, well done.Master_Tactician said:Maybe you're right. If Inter had never changed Mourinho for Mancini they would have never won that horrible Champions League!Yaya_Tony said:"500million" gives you that much self entitlement (sorry, "ambition")? Money doesn't buy success or happiness, sorry to break it to you.Master_Tactician said:You call it self-entitlement, I call it ambition. Mancini's £500m worth of transfer fees just about gives me that.
Mourinho replacing him at Inter and winning the Champions League in his second season didn't make Mancini's QF achievement look too impressive.
The near total consensus on here is that a summer of upheaval is needed as we shift out the dead wood and bring in some fresh quality, to clarify you are going contrary to that and saying we need austere stability?
Mancini/Mourinho/Inter isn't something I can be arsed dissecting at the moment.
We've needed to shift deadwood ever since Hughes left us with overwaged and underskilled employees. Once the leeches are gone forever we can spend worthwhile money on wages, still not over the top which is why the Spaniards renegotiated Kompany and Silva's contracts for example. I'm certainly not advocating austerity. The near total consensus on here is that we don't need or want upheaval, but tweaks. Some say a managerial tweak, many say let the manger do the tweaking.
We're at the start of a long road, why should we introduce yet another variable into a game which is already full of variables, from one 90 mins to the next? Keep a steady ship, and I believe we will reach the promised land. If we change now we may still get there (no guarantees either way), but we will have much more to do. As things stand, we are well on course.
Yaya_Tony said:"500million" gives you that much self entitlement (sorry, "ambition")? Money doesn't buy success or happiness, sorry to break it to you.Master_Tactician said:You call it self-entitlement, I call it ambition. Mancini's £500m worth of transfer fees just about gives me that.Yaya_Tony said:And where has this sense of entitlement come from Mr Master_Tactician? Mancini did get Inter out of the group stages iirc, to the QF I think, the rest of your post is nonsensical soundbites. Logic over hope? Logic dictates that a new manager will cause upheaval, at a stage when we are looking to capitalise on what we have already built. Logically, we shouldn't even be having this "debate".
Mourinho replacing him at Inter and winning the Champions League in his second season didn't make Mancini's QF achievement look too impressive.
The near total consensus on here is that a summer of upheaval is needed as we shift out the dead wood and bring in some fresh quality, to clarify you are going contrary to that and saying we need austere stability?
Mancini/Mourinho/Inter isn't something I can be arsed dissecting at the moment.
We've needed to shift deadwood ever since Hughes left us with overwaged and underskilled employees. Once the leeches are gone forever we can spend worthwhile money on wages, still not over the top which is why the Spaniards renegotiated Kompany and Silva's contracts for example. I'm certainly not advocating austerity. The near total consensus on here is that we don't need or want upheaval, but tweaks. Some say a managerial tweak, many say let the manger do the tweaking.
We're at the start of a long road, why should we introduce yet another variable into a game which is already full of variables, from one 90 mins to the next? Keep a steady ship, and I believe we will reach the promised land. If we change now we may still get there (no guarantees either way), but we will have much more to do. As things stand, we are well on course.
moomba said:blueinsa said:moomba said:I have no problem with RM being judged on performances. To date I think we gave had three years of good progress results wise and a backward step this season.
As a general rule I think the club should be able to live with a backward step (season) without needing to make major changes. I doubt they will accept two backward steps and that's fair enough IMO.
I have no issue in finishing 2nd in the league or not winning a trophy for that matter as long as we have played to our potential for the majority of the season but this year we havnt and its a major worry to see a side that was spellbinding at times last season look so out of form on so many occasions this year.
If he stays and I think he will, he has to address the squad deficiencies this summer and he has to ask himself if he needs to change our style of play and inject much needed width and pace.
He does that and bingo, he doesn't and its curtains imo.
Backward step for me is about results and performances, not just results. And I would agree that another season like this (and I've lived through one or two worse than this) and changes will be made.
I'm not arguing (and gave argued) that this season hasnt been disappointing by any means.
Just don't like the idea that you can go forward, and forward and forward and then at the first sign of a problem you start again.
I didn't actually say that though, did I? I said that he left us with overpriced squad members, which he did. FFP loomed, and we have been dealing with it ever since. Mancini has never had a true "blank chequebook" with us. Won us the league and cup anyway though.Blue Heaven said:Yaya_Tony said:"500million" gives you that much self entitlement (sorry, "ambition")? Money doesn't buy success or happiness, sorry to break it to you.Master_Tactician said:You call it self-entitlement, I call it ambition. Mancini's £500m worth of transfer fees just about gives me that.
Mourinho replacing him at Inter and winning the Champions League in his second season didn't make Mancini's QF achievement look too impressive.
The near total consensus on here is that a summer of upheaval is needed as we shift out the dead wood and bring in some fresh quality, to clarify you are going contrary to that and saying we need austere stability?
Mancini/Mourinho/Inter isn't something I can be arsed dissecting at the moment.
We've needed to shift deadwood ever since Hughes left us with overwaged and underskilled employees. Once the leeches are gone forever we can spend worthwhile money on wages, still not over the top which is why the Spaniards renegotiated Kompany and Silva's contracts for example. I'm certainly not advocating austerity. The near total consensus on here is that we don't need or want upheaval, but tweaks. Some say a managerial tweak, many say let the manger do the tweaking.
We're at the start of a long road, why should we introduce yet another variable into a game which is already full of variables, from one 90 mins to the next? Keep a steady ship, and I believe we will reach the promised land. If we change now we may still get there (no guarantees either way), but we will have much more to do. As things stand, we are well on course.
Ahhh...it's the Weaselly Welshman's fault, is it? Haven't I heard that one before?
Blue Heaven said:We haven't been right since the middle of last season, but hey, I guess this is just the 'first sign of a problem' as you've offered here. Evidently, I was asleep and busy dreaming for the last season and a half...