Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Should the Fernandinho deal now be concluded, Pellegrini's agent has very few notable clients which would fit other required areas of our team?

I still believe Pellegrini is the only candidate who would replace Mancini.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Of course Mancini has failed to hit his targets this year. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Patrick Vieira actually told us all that a week or two ago.

 

[hgblue]

Not really. All you are doing is providing excuses (or 'context') as to why Mourinho has not achieved his objectives at Real. For example stating that 'Barca's managerial problems have not been that bad' is clearly a nonsense. To lose the principal architect of this Barca team in the summer and to have his replacement hospitalised for half the season leaving the team without a leader is clearly 'bad' by anyone's definition. That the team has overcome this handicap does the club credit but over the last month or so it is taking its toll on the team.

The point remains that coming off the back of a league win, your main rival in a state of transition at the top and continuity in your own management team are ideal conditions to press home the advantage which Real failed to do largely because of the discord between Mourinho and the players.

That Mancini has succeeded in meeting the objectives set out by City and Mourinho has not is a matter of fact. This does not make Mourinho a bad manager or Mancini a better one it just is what it is.

You keep referring to these problems that Barca have had and how Mourinho should have exploited them. I would agree with you had these apparent problems actually affected their league form in question. I'll repeat, they have only dropped 10pts all season. With Madrid taking 4 of those, they have only dropped 6pts all season.

6 points! It wouldn't matter whether Madrid had 3 Ronaldo's in their team. Trying to win the league when your rival has picked up 6pts short of the maximum possible all season (not including the fact Madrid have taken 4 off them) would be hard in anyone's book.

I agree that Madrid, after their performance last season, should be closer than the 11pts gap suggests, however, a lot of that is down to just how good Barcelona have been this season, irrelevant of these recent CL indifferent performances.

Not quite. Real started the season badly. If they had started well and put pressure on Barca and kept the pressure on Barca then cracks may have appeared earlier and contributed to loss of form and a proper title race. As it was Barca had a pretty easy ride and its only recently that the cracks have shown. Hell Real were trailing in third for a large part of the season. It was a poor showing by any measurement and you cannot exempt Mourinho from his part in this. The fall out with the players is the root of Real's failure which led to Barca getting an easy ride in the league until it was too late.

You could say the same about us and United this season....

 

[Nevizade]

Should the Fernandinho deal now be concluded, Pellegrini's agent has very few notable clients which would fit other required areas of our team?

I still believe Pellegrini is the only candidate who would replace Mancini.

You think it's too early for De Boer to be considered Tolm?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Mancini's target for this season was to fail to win a game in the Champs League and be out of the title race by February?

No - he had to piss off at least 5 first teamers as well.

Get use to him being here another year
Am sure that will cheer you up.

He'll either go at the end of this season or will be here at least another 2 but I'm really not bothered one way or the other. We'll certainly do OK while he's here but if he does stick around, by the time he's finished everyone will realise he's never quite going to be good enough for where we want and need to be.

 

[OB1]

Not quite. Real started the season badly. If they had started well and put pressure on Barca and kept the pressure on Barca then cracks may have appeared earlier and contributed to loss of form and a proper title race. As it was Barca had a pretty easy ride and its only recently that the cracks have shown. Hell Real were trailing in third for a large part of the season. It was a poor showing by any measurement and you cannot exempt Mourinho from his part in this. The fall out with the players is the root of Real's failure which led to Barca getting an easy ride in the league until it was too late.

You could say the same about us and United this season....

How ironic.

Mourinho is a better manager than Mancini but Jose is not coming to the Etihad. One gets the impression that we have not tried to get him and if Chelsea finish above us in the league next season, the top management at City can repent at their leisure.

 

[BobKowalski]

You keep referring to these problems that Barca have had and how Mourinho should have exploited them. I would agree with you had these apparent problems actually affected their league form in question. I'll repeat, they have only dropped 10pts all season. With Madrid taking 4 of those, they have only dropped 6pts all season.

6 points! It wouldn't matter whether Madrid had 3 Ronaldo's in their team. Trying to win the league when your rival has picked up 6pts short of the maximum possible all season (not including the fact Madrid have taken 4 off them) would be hard in anyone's book.

I agree that Madrid, after their performance last season, should be closer than the 11pts gap suggests, however, a lot of that is down to just how good Barcelona have been this season, irrelevant of these recent CL indifferent performances.

Not quite. Real started the season badly. If they had started well and put pressure on Barca and kept the pressure on Barca then cracks may have appeared earlier and contributed to loss of form and a proper title race. As it was Barca had a pretty easy ride and its only recently that the cracks have shown. Hell Real were trailing in third for a large part of the season. It was a poor showing by any measurement and you cannot exempt Mourinho from his part in this. The fall out with the players is the root of Real's failure which led to Barca getting an easy ride in the league until it was too late.

You could say the same about us and United this season....

Yes you could although I must have missed the bit about Taggart retiring or his replacement being stuck in a New York hospital...

 

[NipHolmes]

Mancini's target for this season was to fail to win a game in the Champs League and be out of the title race by February?

No - he had to piss off at least 5 first teamers as well.

Get use to him being here another year
Am sure that will cheer you up.

Cookie I hope and pray he makes good of his chance, we need him to do better and indeed he needs to for himself because I'm telling you now it will define him as a manager. If he fails next year it will be a blemish on his c.v and push away top clubs from his grasp when going for other jobs. How many teams will want to back a manager with a decent squad + 200m in transfers on top for a manager who is absolutely useless in Europe? Clubs looking for a manager to build a team and get them on the up will come in but there will be a time when they move him on because of a change of ambition - 'this is football'.

Pellegrini might just sit away from Malaga and sit and watch football around him. Waiting for top clubs to pull the trigger and he will go for the job. More money for him as an owner/board bows to demands in desperation? That's what I'd do. Also you get a lower expectation for taking on a team in mid-campaign and can blame lack of pre-season etc.

All speculative but if Senor Pellegrini doesn't come here or go to Chelsea or PSG then I expect him to sit tight and wait. That's what is best imo. Let Malaga pay the bills and keep an eye on proceedings elsewhere.

As for Mancini, we all want him to do well because we all know that him doing well means City does well. The problem is if he fails what happens then? Do we throw away a season possibly and replace him mid-campaign or do we carry on till end of season (my personal choice should he fail). Maybe he wins a trophy, what then?

 

[OB1]

Should the Fernandinho deal now be concluded, Pellegrini's agent has very few notable clients which would fit other required areas of our team?

I still believe Pellegrini is the only candidate who would replace Mancini.

You think it's too early for De Boer to be considered Tolm?

I would rather we went for de Boer than Pellegrini but, if Bobby walks, I think we will get MP.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Should the Fernandinho deal now be concluded, Pellegrini's agent has very few notable clients which would fit other required areas of our team?

I still believe Pellegrini is the only candidate who would replace Mancini.

You think it's too early for De Boer to be considered Tolm?

There is nothing to suggest De Boer is being considered in the immediacy, although it's a job he has since publicly admitted he would like at some stage.

Our Academy Campus is at least another three or four years before showing any fruits of the labour.

It's about the immediacy. Football has always been about timing and Pellegrini is available and moving on.

Those links first originated out of his homeland of Chile, back in January, this is the most pertinent of points.

Just as Mancini will have his own long-term relationships with Italian journalists, Pellegrini could well have let it slip to a family member and it's gone from there.

The meeting last week with his agent, although plausible it could be a player, is too much of a coincidence.

Fernandinho is of South American stock, so he has that Begiristain stamp in terms of identifying, as is the Argentinian defender.

In my opinion, Pellegrini will end up at us or PSG this summer.