Josh Blue
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Skash for once i disagree with you.
citykev28 said:Skashion said:Oh, and a further point to add for anyone who thinks my argument is mightily convenient, look at how I've utterly condemned the FFP and how it attempts to lock the door to other clubs. I believe in keeping the door open to let other clubs do what we've done. UEFA has attempted to slam it shut and I've criticised them for it every step of the way.
You're saying that it's alright for a decent sized Premier League club to recieve the funds to climb into the Champions League and it's alright for a historically big club to spend their way back to the Premier League but not for a small club to recieve the funding to climb the leagues. Just how do you decide how big a club are? Is it trophies, average attendances over 100 years or what? If you're against FFP, it can only be because you want to leave the door open for any club to get themselves to their own promised land, not just the clubs who get your blessing.
I think you'll find I didn't specify any size requirement on Premier League clubs. Nor did I say it's alright for big clubs to spend their way in with funding from a rich owner. Outside of the Premier League I don't agree with any club using cash injections to get into the Premier League because we know they aren't necessary. It's nothing to do with the size of the club so this is a complete misrepresentation of my position. Once you're in the Premier League fairly, I couldn't give two shits who gets a cash injection. You've labelled this about being clubs who have my blessing as if I'm sat here overlording like St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, you're allowed in, no you're not, just because I like some clubs and not others. No, it's not about the club. It's not about the history. It's not about the trophies. It's not about the attendances. It's about the cash injection. If Leeds got a cash injection from a wealthy owner I'd be just as against that as Wigan. I think and hope you're conflating two separate arguments; one simply stating that Wigan do not have the fanbase to fill a Wembley allocation because they do not have the league history other small-town clubs who have filled their Wembley allocations have - this is a fact; and a separate one wherein I have argued that I don't think any cash-injected team has a right to be in the Premier League - this is an opinion.citykev28 said:You're saying that it's alright for a decent sized Premier League club to recieve the funds to climb into the Champions League and it's alright for a historically big club to spend their way back to the Premier League but not for a small club to recieve the funding to climb the leagues. Just how do you decide how big a club are? Is it trophies, average attendances over 100 years or what? If you're against FFP, it can only be because you want to leave the door open for any club to get themselves to their own promised land, not just the clubs who get your blessing.
MCFC-alan88 said:Living and Working in Wigan it is easy to see why the Football club doesn't get many supporters. For the last 30 years, this town has been split in to 5 categories. Liverpool Supporters, Scum Supporters, Warriors supporters, Saints supporters and finally the Latics supporters. Wigan haven't been in the "top flight" long enough to attract a younger generation, so most of the supporters you'll see are of the older persuasion. What I have noticed (working in schools in Wigan) is that a lot of the kids growing up now are Wigan supporters, and I hope for the sake of my area, that Wigan do stay in the Prem because all these kids would just swing back to one of the other clubs.
The list of clubs receiving cash injections to try and secure a place in the honeypot PL is a long one. Your argument is about the amount involved irrespective of whether they are successful in getting promoted. Wigan and Fulham got too much and are in the PL but if Leeds, Leicester, Watford & Forest had a similar sized cash injection and don't get into the top division you'd condemn them as well. How about the parachute funding clubs? The likes of Blackburn, Bolton & Wolves also have had a significant financial advantage this season and it will continue into next.Skashion said:.... Once you're in the Premier League fairly, I couldn't give two shits who gets a cash injection. ... No, it's not about the club. It's not about the history. It's not about the trophies. It's not about the attendances. It's about the cash injection. If Leeds got a cash injection from a wealthy owner I'd be just as against that as Wigan. ... I don't think any cash-injected team has a right to be in the Premier League - this is an opinion.
totally agree with this made us members yesterday as you never know when you may want to see them play after saturday ,if you know what i mean ,and wouldnt sell loyal fans like ourself a ticket without purchase history !!S.H.R.E.K said:This game should be being held in birmingham for starters.
Wigan shot themselves right in the foot by making tickets only on sale to fans with a past purchase history with the club -as I tried to buy one in their end- am all for anyone playing against millwall.