Will MP`s vote for an attack on IS ?

[Blue Mist]

let the IDF practice on the fuckers,that will sort them out,








but it might turn into something bigger :)

if there chopping heads off male journalists i'd hate to think what they would do to a female IDF solder

To be honest I don't think that the Israelis are all that bothered about them they are just a non state player who will run out of resources pretty soon, they have had chances to attack Israel but so far have refrained from doing so.

I think there is a fair degree of hype about ISIL, in the long run they won't be able to sustain themselves at this level of combat, they will be finished in a few months

I actually think that they and all the other Islamic zealots should be allowed a state (unarmed of course) where they can be free to live and rule as they want, but not bother anyone else but they have this annoying tendency to want to conquer and convert the rest of the world to their beliefs and that includes other Muslims

The problem is they have captured large areas that belonged to a legitimate country and they are slaughtering anyone who does not practice their religion so how do we give them a state to run as they please ?
They are getting millions of dollars of revenue from captured oil wells, do you honestly believe they will use it to build schools in the newly acquired state ?

What happens if some other religion decide they want a state of their own and start killing innocent people, do we give them a state as well ?

Oh and I have deliberately refused to be drawn into the trap about commenting on what happened the last time 'we' gave someone a state.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

They have, end of thread

Despite all the political yes and no arguments I'm just hopeful that this genocide can now be curtailed.

Don't hold your breath

 

[malg]

They have, end of thread

Despite all the political yes and no arguments I'm just hopeful that this genocide can now be curtailed.

Don't hold your breath

I can't really see anything bad coming from dropping a shit load of bombs on them. I'm sure the IS radicals will just say 'fuck this lads, I'm off back to Oldham to sign on........'

 

[Ducado]

if there chopping heads off male journalists i'd hate to think what they would do to a female IDF solder

To be honest I don't think that the Israelis are all that bothered about them they are just a non state player who will run out of resources pretty soon, they have had chances to attack Israel but so far have refrained from doing so.

I think there is a fair degree of hype about ISIL, in the long run they won't be able to sustain themselves at this level of combat, they will be finished in a few months

I actually think that they and all the other Islamic zealots should be allowed a state (unarmed of course) where they can be free to live and rule as they want, but not bother anyone else but they have this annoying tendency to want to conquer and convert the rest of the world to their beliefs and that includes other Muslims

The problem is they have captured large areas that belonged to a legitimate country and they are slaughtering anyone who does not practice their religion so how do we give them a state to run as they please ?
They are getting millions of dollars of revenue from captured oil wells, do you honestly believe they will use it to build schools in the newly acquired state ?

What happens if some other religion decide they want a state of their own and start killing innocent people, do we give them a state as well ?

Oh and I have deliberately refused to be drawn into the trap about commenting on what happened the last time 'we' gave someone a state.

Of course I am only talking about an imagined scenario, from what I understand they don't particularly want a small state rather a return to the Caliphate which includes a large part of Spain and pretty much the whole of Middle East and the Mediterranean and a return to the imaginary days of pure Islamic Rule (which of course never really happened)

 

[Mike D]

Well do think they will vote to hit IS with air-strikes ? A vote will take place later tonight in the House of Commons.Looks promising,if we are to hit these bastards good and proper.

Last time we did this in 2003 we ended where we are now, we make the same idiotic mistakes again and go into battle we end up in the same seat again 10 years down the line. A big part of me thinks this move by ISIS is deliberate they want this just as much as Cameron does. We will never win this war by trying to wipe them out it's and simple commercial gain that's at stake here.

i think the whole situation is different to 2003

Iraq now have a government and they are requesting our help
we are in a coalition of over 50 country's on this
there is no lies or misconception being spouted by our government
although i think military solution is not the real solution i think we are going there this time with honest intentions.

We are going there with the intentions of bombing the fuckers wiping ISIS off the map. I'm not doubting that we have a moral duty in this having been in with the yanks creating this mess. BUT that does not mean we should be going in like this. The truth is that reading between the lines Cameron want this so bad because he thinks that he can use this to sort out Syria too he's said that today.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Who is buying their oil? Surely just embargo it they run out of money and resources within months.

 

[oakiecokie]

Who is buying their oil? Surely just embargo it they run out of money and resources within months.

Well they were bombed off the map yesterday was it,on the eastern side which IS captured.So they are hardly supplying many at the moment.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Would this be a good time to talk about austerity and cut backs.....?

Who is going to fund this war to the tune of billions? More pay cuts, more jobless, more homeless, less doctors, nurses and teachers? Further cut backs in the armed forces?

Our leaders seem incapable of learning any lessons.

 

[marco]

Who is buying their oil? Surely just embargo it they run out of money and resources within months.

crude is transported by tankers into Syria where it is refined then its transported back into Iraq where it is sold, crude is also going to Iran,Turkey and Jordan via smuggling routes, ISIS are sucking out 30,000 barrels a day worth 2 million pounds per day

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Have they given any thought to how they would exist as a nation?
If they were to succeed in setting up their "caliphate" they would have to set up a coherent system of government and would have to trade with the rest of the world. Who would trade with them? who would set up diplomatic links?
They would be starved out of existence in a short space of time and would end up being reliant on western charities to bail them out.
They seem to think that they can rely on their God to provide - I think a dose of reality is coming their way.

 

[marco]

Would this be a good time to talk about austerity and cut backs.....?

Who is going to fund this war to the tune of billions? More pay cuts, more jobless, more homeless, less doctors, nurses and teachers? Further cut backs in the armed forces?

Our leaders seem incapable of learning any lessons.

Iraq asks for help and we free there country and they give us oil ;-) we wont lose financially here not a chance in fact we will make more than we use on missiles, the deal will be struck before the RAF take to the air, then the crude is refined and sold at £7 a gallon and bought by me and you, 'its a dirty world''

 

[BigJoe#1]

Would this be a good time to talk about austerity and cut backs.....?

Who is going to fund this war to the tune of billions? More pay cuts, more jobless, more homeless, less doctors, nurses and teachers? Further cut backs in the armed forces?

Our leaders seem incapable of learning any lessons.

Iraq asks for help and we free there country and they give us oil ;-) we wont lose financially here not a chance, the deal will be struck before the RAF take to the air

We will be paying for this for generations and generations, you ain't seen nothin yet where austerity and cut backs are concerned. We really cannot afford to get involved with this charade.

If anyone believes bombings are the way to win this war then I believe they are mistaken, it will be inevitable that "boots on the ground" will be required, and lots of them for a very long time... If only for when innocent start getting slaughtered even more than is happening now and the obligation will (correctly) be to protected.

I don't believe that our illustrious leaders (yet again) have not thought about an exit strategy... What are the measures for success?

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

Why would Pellegrini vote??

 

[hilts]

Would this be a good time to talk about austerity and cut backs.....?

Who is going to fund this war to the tune of billions? More pay cuts, more jobless, more homeless, less doctors, nurses and teachers? Further cut backs in the armed forces?

Our leaders seem incapable of learning any lessons.

Iraq asks for help and we free there country and they give us oil ;-) we wont lose financially here not a chance, the deal will be struck before the RAF take to the air

We will be paying for this for generations and generations, you ain't seen nothin yet where austerity and cut backs are concerned. We really cannot afford to get involved with this charade.

If anyone believes bombings are the way to win this war then I believe they are mistaken, it will be inevitable that "boots on the ground" will be required, and lots of them for a very long time...

I don't believe that our illustrious leaders (yet again) have not thought about an exit strategy... What are the measures for success?

It is unlike me to stick up for politicians but i really believe Cameron needs this like a hole in the head, after the backlash of Iraq and Afghanistan i think all parties had the view they would not get involved in military action again and this has put a major spanner in the works, in terms of Austerity it won't male much of a difference

If there was a way they could get away with not touching this with a barn pole he would take it, as would Milliband if he were in power

 

[marco]

Would this be a good time to talk about austerity and cut backs.....?

Who is going to fund this war to the tune of billions? More pay cuts, more jobless, more homeless, less doctors, nurses and teachers? Further cut backs in the armed forces?

Our leaders seem incapable of learning any lessons.

Iraq asks for help and we free there country and they give us oil ;-) we wont lose financially here not a chance, the deal will be struck before the RAF take to the air

We will be paying for this for generations and generations, you ain't seen nothin yet where austerity and cut backs are concerned. We really cannot afford to get involved with this charade.

If anyone believes bombings are the way to win this war then I believe they are mistaken, it will be inevitable that "boots on the ground" will be required, and lots of them for a very long time...

I don't believe that our illustrious leaders (yet again) have not thought about an exit strategy... What are the measures for success?

we wont be paying anything for generations, our input in Iraq will not be free 'nothing is free' as i said we will be rewarded in crude oil although no MPs would want to talk about the reward side of this, i always said we should have stayed in Iraq to some degree to manage the oil production and the re building of the infrastructure, i think this is where it all went wrong

 

[BigJoe#1]

It is unlike me to stick up for politicians but i really believe Cameron needs this like a hole in the head, after the backlash of Iraq and Afghanistan i think all parties had the view they would not get involved in military action again and this has put a major spanner in the works, in terms of Austerity it won't male much of a difference

If there was a way they could get away with not touching this with a barn pole he would take it, as would Milliband if he were in power

I agree with all you say. There were other options. Total embargo of all produce, no political links, no trade, anything but committing to further escalations in the barbaric torture currently being executed.

Do you really believe air strikes will (or even begin to) resolve this issue? All it will do is up the ante. Furthermore by getting involved we are openly inviting terrorist to come here and have a go, even more than they already do!

We did not need to commit to this and I think,like the others it is a mistake.

 

[hilts]

It is unlike me to stick up for politicians but i really believe Cameron needs this like a hole in the head, after the backlash of Iraq and Afghanistan i think all parties had the view they would not get involved in military action again and this has put a major spanner in the works, in terms of Austerity it won't male much of a difference

If there was a way they could get away with not touching this with a barn pole he would take it, as would Milliband if he were in power

I agree with all you say. There were other options. Total embargo of all produce, no political links, no trade, anything but committing to further escalations in the barbaric torture currently being executed.

Do you really believe air strikes will (or even begin to) resolve this issue? All it will do is up the ante. Furthermore by getting involved we are openly inviting terrorist to come here and have a go, even more than they already do!

We did not need to commit to this and I think,like the others it is a mistake.

I think IS are deemed to be that dangerous that they need getting rid of by any means, unless i am mistaken you couldn't do political sanctions against this lot, they are not a state

 

[Ducado]

It is unlike me to stick up for politicians but i really believe Cameron needs this like a hole in the head, after the backlash of Iraq and Afghanistan i think all parties had the view they would not get involved in military action again and this has put a major spanner in the works, in terms of Austerity it won't male much of a difference

If there was a way they could get away with not touching this with a barn pole he would take it, as would Milliband if he were in power

I agree with all you say. There were other options. Total embargo of all produce, no political links, no trade, anything but committing to further escalations in the barbaric torture currently being executed.

Do you really believe air strikes will (or even begin to) resolve this issue? All it will do is up the ante. Furthermore by getting involved we are openly inviting terrorist to come here and have a go, even more than they already do!

We did not need to commit to this and I think,like the others it is a mistake.

How can you embargo a non state, that's got to be the most ridiculous post in this thread

 

[BigJoe#1]

It is unlike me to stick up for politicians but i really believe Cameron needs this like a hole in the head, after the backlash of Iraq and Afghanistan i think all parties had the view they would not get involved in military action again and this has put a major spanner in the works, in terms of Austerity it won't male much of a difference

If there was a way they could get away with not touching this with a barn pole he would take it, as would Milliband if he were in power

I agree with all you say. There were other options. Total embargo of all produce, no political links, no trade, anything but committing to further escalations in the barbaric torture currently being executed.

Do you really believe air strikes will (or even begin to) resolve this issue? All it will do is up the ante. Furthermore by getting involved we are openly inviting terrorist to come here and have a go, even more than they already do!

We did not need to commit to this and I think,like the others it is a mistake.

How can you embargo a non state, that's got to be the most ridiculous post in this thread

Easy... Think before you post.... Adverts?

 

[marco]

It is unlike me to stick up for politicians but i really believe Cameron needs this like a hole in the head, after the backlash of Iraq and Afghanistan i think all parties had the view they would not get involved in military action again and this has put a major spanner in the works, in terms of Austerity it won't male much of a difference

If there was a way they could get away with not touching this with a barn pole he would take it, as would Milliband if he were in power

I agree with all you say. There were other options. Total embargo of all produce, no political links, no trade, anything but committing to further escalations in the barbaric torture currently being executed.

Do you really believe air strikes will (or even begin to) resolve this issue? All it will do is up the ante. Furthermore by getting involved we are openly inviting terrorist to come here and have a go, even more than they already do!

We did not need to commit to this and I think,like the others it is a mistake.

How can you embargo a non state, that's got to be the most ridiculous post in this thread

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