Woolwich killing

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

sky news,both suspects were known to security services

Lol how many people in the UK are known to the security services. If they said they were not known then people would say why not? So they say that they are known so that you at least feel that they could have done something but were just unlucky in this case.

I would estimate that around 98% of the UK population are known to the security services just depends what the definition is. You have a passport you are "known" to the security services.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Re: Woolich killing

I remember learning about nazism in school and not being able to get my head around it. I just couldn't comprehend how millions of jews were slaughtered in what was a relatively civilised European society. I remember just thinking, wow the world was really a different place back then. Jump forward 15 years and I am now seeing extremism in my own country. I'm seeing a poor guy beheaded in a london street. I'm seeing people blaming a whole religion, and certain races. I am seeing a murder turning into a race issue and political propoganda. And all I can think is fuck, how naive was I back in school. The world isn't so different.

I agree with you 100%. This whole thing has made me think about the rounding up and internment of Japanese-Americans in prison camps, in the US after Pearl Harbour. These people had done absolutely nothing wrong, but because they shared the same ethnicity as the bombers, they were all collectively punished. Now, that shocking racism is looked back on, quite rightly, with shame, and people ask the question how could something like that happen? Looking at Facebook and twitter, and seeing people calling to have all Muslims deported, complaining that they're destroying our society, the EDL, etc, and its no different to the blind hatred that the American citizens of Japanese descent suffered during WW2. We aren't anymore civilised now, then we were back then.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

How can something called security services offer such little fucking security

we seem to adopt a wait and watch policy in this country,it must be difficult to know when to make our move but this seems to be said everytime there is one of these incidents,suspects were on the watch list

This was the first terrorist act in this country for 7yrs. I'd say the security services are doing a good job. They cannot round up and arrest suspects unless they have evidence

They also do a lot of stuff we dont know about

 

[Josh Blue]

Re: Woolich killing

I remember learning about nazism in school and not being able to get my head around it. I just couldn't comprehend how millions of jews were slaughtered in what was a relatively civilised European society. I remember just thinking, wow the world was really a different place back then. Jump forward 15 years and I am now seeing extremism in my own country. I'm seeing a poor guy beheaded in a london street. I'm seeing people blaming a whole religion, and certain races. I am seeing a murder turning into a race issue and political propoganda. And all I can think is fuck, how naive was I back in school. The world isn't so different.

I agree with you 100%. This whole thing has made me think about the rounding up and internment of Japanese-Americans in prison camps, in the US after Pearl Harbour. These people had done absolutely nothing wrong, but because they shared the same ethnicity as the bombers, they were all collectively punished. Now, that shocking racism is looked back on, quite rightly, with shame, and people ask the question how could something like that happen? Looking at Facebook and twitter, and seeing people calling to have all Muslims deported, complaining that they're destroying our society, the EDL, etc, and its no different to the blind hatred that the American citizens of Japanese descent suffered during WW2. We aren't anymore civilised now, then we were back then.

Fantastic posts. Spot on!

 

[Blue Hefner]

we seem to adopt a wait and watch policy in this country,it must be difficult to know when to make our move but this seems to be said everytime there is one of these incidents,suspects were on the watch list

This was the first terrorist act in this country for 7yrs. I'd say the security services are doing a good job. They cannot round up and arrest suspects unless they have evidence

They also do a lot of stuff we dont know about

Who do? Terrorists? They don't, the idea of a terrorist is to publicize what they do.
The security services do lots that we don't know about, but either way 1 attack by 2 'lone-range nutters' as they've been described in 7yrs is a pretty good job by those that offer 'so little security'

 

[johnmc]

By your government he is talking about the combined forces that are in Muslim nations. See the biggest gripe Muslims have is the stationing of troops near Mecca which is sacrilegious to them. This is not allowed by their teachers hence why he was speaking in those terms. As a Muslim his beliefs teach him to fight for the defense of the holy land. But what they did is not allowed as it was not on the battle field. You have to understand there are British and American troops in almost every Muslim country. This is not allowed but unfortunately most Muslim countries have oil.

I think you are giving him too much credit - he's confused and getting things mixed up

 

[chedinho]

sky news,both suspects were known to security services

How can something called security services offer such little fucking security

we seem to adopt a wait and watch policy in this country,it must be difficult to know when to make our move but this seems to be said everytime there is one of these incidents,suspects were on the watch list

they are all known as they will have been at meetings that radicalised them in the 1st place.

suspects get noted and with limited resources,those deemed to be the greatest threat will be afforded the most surveillance.

it works for the most part but this shows that there will always be some that get through.

 

[didactic]

Overall the police and the security services are doing a wonderful job. People tend to forget there are 62 million people in this country. It is impossible to keep tabs on every nutjob, loner, pyscho without infringing on human rights. There is a thin line from CCTV to actual martial law where people cannot walk freely among each other without spot checks. We cannot have it both ways.

Look at it this way the story is sensitive because it happened here but that was 1 soldier. In Iraq and Afghanistan they are burying women and children by the hundreds every day people who have nothing to do with the war. This is just how these things come back to bite us.

You cannot just shit on everyone's doorstep and not expect a stench smell to follow you around. The foreign policy in this country definitely needs addressing we have been bullies for a very long time.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

How can something called security services offer such little fucking security

we seem to adopt a wait and watch policy in this country,it must be difficult to know when to make our move but this seems to be said everytime there is one of these incidents,suspects were on the watch list

they are all known as they will have been at meetings that radicalised them in the 1st place.

suspects get noted and with limited resources,those deemed to be the greatest threat will be afforded the most surveillance.

it works for the most part but this shows that there will always be some that get through.

Why aren't they arresting the Preachers, funny they portray their hateful shite as a noble cause to die for but its always some impressionable kid from a disadvantaged background who ends up in Guantanamo or with there brains over the pavement not these Bearded wackos who spout hate under the guise of religion.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

This was the first terrorist act in this country for 7yrs. I'd say the security services are doing a good job. They cannot round up and arrest suspects unless they have evidence

They also do a lot of stuff we dont know about

Who do? Terrorists? They don't, the idea of a terrorist is to publicize what they do.
The security services do lots that we don't know about, but either way 1 attack by 2 'lone-range nutters' as they've been described in 7yrs is a pretty good job by those that offer 'so little security'

Okay you are get angry at me for nothing now, I was agreeing with you after what I said