Woolwich killing

[Blue Hefner]

They also do a lot of stuff we dont know about

Who do? Terrorists? They don't, the idea of a terrorist is to publicize what they do.
The security services do lots that we don't know about, but either way 1 attack by 2 'lone-range nutters' as they've been described in 7yrs is a pretty good job by those that offer 'so little security'

Okay you are get angry at me for nothing now, I was agreeing with you after what I said

I apologies. I wasn't sure what you were talking about so thought I'd hedge my bets

 

[argyle]

How can something called security services offer such little fucking security

we seem to adopt a wait and watch policy in this country,it must be difficult to know when to make our move but this seems to be said everytime there is one of these incidents,suspects were on the watch list

This was the first terrorist act in this country for 7yrs. I'd say the security services are doing a good job. They cannot round up and arrest suspects unless they have evidence

There have been policeman shot dead by offshoots of the IRA etc over in Northern Ireland. Strange how this is no longer classed as terrorism.

But I agree, the security services do a good job even though they are over stretched.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

This would be because as a Muslim all Muslims around the world are considered your brothers and sisters. So when he is speaking of "women of my country" he is talking about Muslim women.

But the Quran also teaches

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the
favor of Allah upon you – when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by his favor, brothers" [3]

But it also teaches.

"o We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth." (Qur'an 5: 32)

So these guys actions had nothing to do with religion even if that is what they wished.

Yes but "your government" and "our troops" also show that he really has no clue about what he is going on about

By your government he is talking about the combined forces that are in Muslim nations. See the biggest gripe Muslims have is the stationing of troops near Mecca which is sacrilegious to them. This is not allowed by their teachers hence why he was speaking in those terms. As a Muslim his beliefs teach him to fight for the defense of the holy land. But what they did is not allowed as it was not on the battle field. You have to understand there are British and American troops in almost every Muslim country. This is not allowed but unfortunately most Muslim countries have oil.

Not allowed by who?
If you believe that Islam has the ultimate authority then you have to disregard the rest of man kind.

Ultimately, Islam must police itself and how it's followers behave. Anyone who subscribes to its teachings must also take responsibility for how it is practiced. In the UK Islam is only one of many faiths and those who choose to live in the UK and follow Islam must do so in a manner compatible with those who do not. This means actively preventing the preaching of extreme views not compatible with the UK and taking responsibility for those who chose to express those views.

Failure to do so will only further alienate the Muslim faith and lead to more heightened opposition from the rest of the UK population. Some of whom will be as stupid as those who have tried and the few who have succeeded to terrorise the UK in the name of their religion.

 

[johnmc]

There have been policeman shot dead by offshoots of the IRA etc over in Northern Ireland. Strange how this is no longer classed as terrorism.

But I agree, the security services do a good job even though they are over stretched.

Eh? Of course its still classed as Terrorism?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Overall the police and the security services are doing a wonderful job. People tend to forget there are 62 million people in this country. It is impossible to keep tabs on every nutjob, loner, pyscho without infringing on human rights. There is a thin line from CCTV to actual martial law where people cannot walk freely among each other without spot checks. We cannot have it both ways.

Look at it this way the story is sensitive because it happened here but that was 1 soldier. In Iraq and Afghanistan they are burying women and children by the hundreds every day people who have nothing to do with the war. This is just how these things come back to bite us.

You cannot just shit on everyone's doorstep and not expect a stench smell to follow you around. The foreign policy in this country definitely needs addressing we have been bullies for a very long time.

So in your view this attack was justified as revenge for the UK foreign policy?

 

[argyle]

There have been policeman shot dead by offshoots of the IRA etc over in Northern Ireland. Strange how this is no longer classed as terrorism.

But I agree, the security services do a good job even though they are over stretched.

Eh? Of course its still classed as Terrorism?

What I mean is it doesn't get the same outrage and prominence in the media has Islamic terrorism, imo. I was also under the impression they were classified as criminal rather terrorist incidents. I could very well be wrong.

 

[johnmc]

What I mean is it doesn't get the same outrage and prominence in the media has Islamic terrorism, imo. I was also under the impression they were classified as criminal rather terrorist incidents. I could very well be wrong.

The outrage is still there and the perpertraitors are still classed as terrorists however due to it happeningseveral times over a 30 year period its desenitised somewhat as its no longer as surprising

 

[bluezi]

Overall the police and the security services are doing a wonderful job. People tend to forget there are 62 million people in this country. It is impossible to keep tabs on every nutjob, loner, pyscho without infringing on human rights. There is a thin line from CCTV to actual martial law where people cannot walk freely among each other without spot checks. We cannot have it both ways.

Look at it this way the story is sensitive because it happened here but that was 1 soldier. In Iraq and Afghanistan they are burying women and children by the hundreds every day people who have nothing to do with the war. This is just how these things come back to bite us.

You cannot just shit on everyone's doorstep and not expect a stench smell to follow you around. The foreign policy in this country definitely needs addressing we have been bullies for a very long time.

So in your view this attack was justified as revenge for the UK foreign policy?

This act can in noway by justified. Even if there has been more Muslims unlawfully killed than any other religion either through acts of terrorism , ethnic cleansing , or military operations.
I'm not saying that's an excuse but you can see why some of them want to bring attention to it.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Overall the police and the security services are doing a wonderful job. People tend to forget there are 62 million people in this country. It is impossible to keep tabs on every nutjob, loner, pyscho without infringing on human rights. There is a thin line from CCTV to actual martial law where people cannot walk freely among each other without spot checks. We cannot have it both ways.

Look at it this way the story is sensitive because it happened here but that was 1 soldier. In Iraq and Afghanistan they are burying women and children by the hundreds every day people who have nothing to do with the war. This is just how these things come back to bite us.

You cannot just shit on everyone's doorstep and not expect a stench smell to follow you around. The foreign policy in this country definitely needs addressing we have been bullies for a very long time.

So in your view this attack was justified as revenge for the UK foreign policy?

This act can in noway by justified. Even if there has been more Muslims unlawfully killed than any other religion either through acts of terrorism , ethnic cleansing , or military operations.
I'm not saying that's an excuse but you can see why some of them want to bring attention to it.

By beheading a guy in the streets of london!

 

[bluemoon32]

So in your view this attack was justified as revenge for the UK foreign policy?

This act can in noway by justified. Even if there has been more Muslims unlawfully killed than any other religion either through acts of terrorism , ethnic cleansing , or military operations.
I'm not saying that's an excuse but you can see why some of them want to bring attention to it.

By beheading a guy in the streets of london!

It's worked though, look at the publicity they've got