Woolwich killing

[AntiUnited]

erm the torture cases? that vid of soldiers kicking the living shit out of kids.. so ye kinda

Post a link to the video, pity there was no cameras when a 13 year old girl was shot on a bus for going to school, by your "brothers", eh?

99% of Muslims are good people, do not come on here with your agenda to support the 1%.

my brothers ?? wtf are u talking about. im not supporting any 1 im saying that its a 2 way streak when it comes to this shit. we are not the victims we have blood on our hands as well..

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Conveniently ignored by didactic and other apologists, "us "being there was their strategy.

From what i can gather that is just an excuse for their wider goals.

"On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020". Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

1.Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
2.Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
3.Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4.Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5.The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries".

Obama fucked the plan up for the old jihadists then.
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking

Your point is?
These guys are not stupid, there are very intelligent men behind this and Bin Laden being fucked up will not stop them.[/quote]

It was a light hearted joke pom mate. Although to point out that as of next year USA will not actually be active in any conflicts and that the military budget has been around about the same for 12 years<br /><br />-- Fri May 24, 2013 12:39 pm --<br /><br />

If they were any good they could have saved themseleves a whole lot of bother and simply waited for the whole sub-prime to blow up.

Well you pay peanuts you get monkeys

It was so obvious that even a child could have foretold it if BM is to be believed.

Thats why everyone was spread betting on massive losses at $100 a point. I made about $4 billion

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Both sides have fucked up and done unjustifiable things.

You can't judge all Muslims on the acts of a few dickheads and likewise you can't judge all UK forces on the acts of a few dickheads.

The culture of blame and refusal to acknowledge any guilt on both sides will only lead to more killing.

To try to lay the blame solely at the feet of Islam, Blair or whatever is to miss every point and serves only to continue a cycle of negativity, ignorance, intolerance and fear.

This isn't Star Wars, there aren't any clearly defined goodies and baddies. Sorry.

Not agreed with many on this thread but i do with this... not much in life is black and white, this issue certainly isnt.

 

[metalblue]

Your point is?
These guys are not stupid, there are very intelligent men behind this and Bin Laden being fucked up will not stop them.

I don't know mate....their objective/point/wishlist number 5 seems to ignore China will be at least equal of the US but more likely the outright dominant global economy and they'll have to start all over again, or maybe they do and they just like a ruck.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

What are we actually discussing here.

Are some trying to justify this lads murder because we are in Afghan etc?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

What are we actually discussing here.

Are some trying to justify this lads murder because we are in Afghan etc?

I don't think anyone at any point has tried to justify what happened. As much as some would like it happen, it hasn't happened. Some are seeking to try to explain the mindset of extremists or the history of the conflict but that's in no way a justification by anyone of anything.

 

[mick10]

What are we actually discussing here.

Are some trying to justify this lads murder because we are in Afghan etc?

Looks that way doesn't it?

 

[scotty123]

erm the torture cases? that vid of soldiers kicking the living shit out of kids.. so ye kinda

Post a link to the video, pity there was no cameras when a 13 year old girl was shot on a bus for going to school, by your "brothers", eh?

99% of Muslims are good people, do not come on here with your agenda to support the 1%.

my brothers ?? wtf are u talking about. im not supporting any 1 im saying that its a 2 way streak when it comes to this shit. we are not the victims we have blood on our hands as well..

do one

 

[metalblue]

Thats why everyone was spread betting on massive losses at $100 a point. I made about $4 billion

I did well but then I got long Rooney wigs hearing they were the next big thing, lost the entire fortune, and now live in a cardboard box on the M62.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Both sides have fucked up and done unjustifiable things.

You can't judge all Muslims on the acts of a few dickheads and likewise you can't judge all UK forces on the acts of a few dickheads.

The culture of blame and refusal to acknowledge any guilt on both sides will only lead to more killing.

To try to lay the blame solely at the feet of Islam, Blair or whatever is to miss every point and serves only to continue a cycle of negativity, ignorance, intolerance and fear.

This isn't Star Wars, there aren't any clearly defined goodies and baddies. Sorry.

It really bugs me how people get into these bizarre paradigms, where one killing of innocents justifies the killing of another set of innocents. I saw it in Josh's Drone thread, and now a similar pattern is emerging, "Oh well they started it on 9/11/British troops are killing people in Muslims countries", etc. Why not just condemn both, or all killings in the same sentence, without it descending into excuse making, or tribal loyalties.