Woolwich killing

AntiUnited said:
metalblue said:
AntiUnited said:
u mean letting the massacres happen ? and then showing up saying we where to late... ye that really helped those thousands of men and boys.

Interventions to halt massacres always happen after the massacre has occured. It's sort of how it has to work.


again read the history of the massacre then u will see.

What will I see exactly? You think it was obvious that there was going to be massacres? I hope you're not trying to re-write history with hindsight. The final straw was the Srebrenica massacre which triggered NATO action against Bosnian Serbs to protect the muslim population. It wasn't for any other purpose (at least as far as we, the public, were concerned), fuck me we had to go against the Russians on this, it was easier to ignore it than not...but we didn't we got involved and we saved countless of lives. I guess that's not enough for some who think this is all just a computer game.
 
pominoz said:
Conveniently ignored by didactic and other apologists, "us "being there was their strategy.

From what i can gather that is just an excuse for their wider goals.

"On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020". Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

1.Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
2.Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
3.Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4.Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5.The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries".
[/quote]
Obama fucked the plan up for the old jihadists then.
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking
 
AntiUnited said:
erm the torture cases? that vid of soldiers kicking the living shit out of kids.. so ye kinda

Post a link to the video, pity there was no cameras when a 13 year old girl was shot on a bus for going to school, by your "brothers", eh?

99% of Muslims are good people, do not come on here with your agenda to support the 1%.
 
Both sides have fucked up and done unjustifiable things.

You can't judge all Muslims on the acts of a few dickheads and likewise you can't judge all UK forces on the acts of a few dickheads.

The culture of blame and refusal to acknowledge any guilt on both sides will only lead to more killing.

To try to lay the blame solely at the feet of Islam, Blair or whatever is to miss every point and serves only to continue a cycle of negativity, ignorance, intolerance and fear.

This isn't Star Wars, there aren't any clearly defined goodies and baddies. Sorry.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
pominoz said:
Conveniently ignored by didactic and other apologists, "us "being there was their strategy.

From what i can gather that is just an excuse for their wider goals.

"On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020". Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

1.Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
2.Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
3.Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4.Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5.The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries".
Obama fucked the plan up for the old jihadists then.
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking[/quote]

If they were any good they could have saved themseleves a whole lot of bother and simply waited for the whole sub-prime to blow up.
 
metalblue said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
pominoz said:
Conveniently ignored by didactic and other apologists, "us "being there was their strategy.

From what i can gather that is just an excuse for their wider goals.

"On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020". Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

1.Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
2.Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
3.Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4.Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5.The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries".
Obama fucked the plan up for the old jihadists then.
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking

If they were any good they could have saved themseleves a whole lot of bother and simply waited for the whole sub-prime to blow up.[/quote]
Well you pay peanuts you get monkeys
 
TheMightyQuinn said:
Both sides have fucked up and done unjustifiable things.

You can't judge all Muslims on the acts of a few dickheads and likewise you can't judge all UK forces on the acts of a few dickheads.

The culture of blame and refusal to acknowledge any guilt on both sides will only lead to more killing.

To try to lay the blame solely at the feet of Islam, Blair or whatever is to miss every point and serves only to continue a cycle of negativity, ignorance, intolerance and fear.

This isn't Star Wars, there aren't any clearly defined goodies and baddies. Sorry.

all of this
 
metalblue said:
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking

Heard a figure of something along the lines of 10 trillion spent by the Yanks though, so the plan seems to be working!
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
pominoz said:
Conveniently ignored by didactic and other apologists, "us "being there was their strategy.

From what i can gather that is just an excuse for their wider goals.

"On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020". Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

1.Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
2.Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
3.Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4.Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5.The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries".
Obama fucked the plan up for the old jihadists then.
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking[/quote]

Your point is?
These guys are not stupid, there are very intelligent men behind this and Bin Laden being fucked up will not stop them.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
metalblue said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Obama fucked the plan up for the old jihadists then.
I like the way Al Qaeda employed financial analysts and economic advisor's though, thats some serious forward thinking

If they were any good they could have saved themseleves a whole lot of bother and simply waited for the whole sub-prime to blow up.
Well you pay peanuts you get monkeys

It was so obvious that even a child could have foretold it if BM is to be believed.
 

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