World class wingers !

[johnmc]

united don't just play 442 with wingers either, they haven't for about 10 years, they (a bit like barca - but not as good) have a flexible system where players will go wide.

Your description of wingers suggests the orthodox english 442 which is largely played by managers with little imagination. It involves, win the ball, get it wide, cross it, hope for a big man to get on the end, or get a lucky break, its effectiveness is very limited, which is why most of the managers who employ the tactic no longer win much.

There is not one successful football team in europe that play out and out wingers, that is my point, if you can name one then please do, and united don't, they may use the option now and then, but its not their plan A (or B).

Sorry but united play wingers. I've seen plenty of goals of theirs that have been the result of a giggs nani Valencia cross with a head on the end of it.

I never said they didn't get goals from crosses, every team does, even Barca, but the implication of playing wingers is the mostly failed 442 english system, and united very rarely play 442 these days.

I guarantee you now that united get more goals from crosses in open play than barca and us combined.

 

[cleavers]

I said city got a game moved because of Yom Kippur, you said deleted it for being anti-semitic, and mocked me, but never apologised.

I'm not sure this is relevant to wingers, if you wish to discuss that subject then lets take it to PM.

 

[zangatangring]

They did today.

Correct again. The 4-4-2 isn't obsolete, far from it. If you guys are scared of the one dimensionalism we've seen in 4-4-2 teams, we're the squad who needs worry about that least in the world (next to R. Madrid).

 

[Corky]

I said city got a game moved because of Yom Kippur, you said deleted it for being anti-semitic, and mocked me, but never apologised.

I'm not sure this is relevant to wingers, if you wish to discuss that subject then lets take it to PM.

You need to apologise first.

 

[cleavers]

Football is holistic sport, if the opposition propose this, you must propose this. Their 4-2-3-1 has been far more predominant as a result. United do play the 4-4-2 alot though. Rooney isn't a playmaker..... He's a deep lying forward. They orthodox flank attack more than any other team!

I'm not arguing that they don't cross the ball, they play an interchangeable, mostly 433, formation, what they do very successfully though is counter attack quickly, be it wide or down the middle, and its often quite direct.

My argument from the start is that this is not how Mancini wants to play, so us having 2 "world class wingers" is not going to happen. We are assembling a squad capable of playing like the top european sides (including united), but it doesn't require out and out wingers, and while we currently have 2 in our squad, neither are good enough for where we are aiming to be, their biggest fault is their crossing.

 

[LoveCity]

We played 4-4-2 under Hughes a lot didn't we with Bellamy and Sweep as wingers? To be fair it resulted in some entertaining games with scorelines like 4-3 where we scored plenty then leaked as many.

 

[johnmc]

So if valencia nani young and giggs aren't wingers then what are they?

 

[cleavers]

So if valencia nani young and giggs aren't wingers then what are they?

None of them are world class ;-)

 

[LoveCity]

So if valencia nani young and giggs aren't wingers then what are they?

None of them are world class ;-)

Nani can't be far off at this stage. He tore the league apart last season and did a number on us today.

 

[Tevez City]

I didnt mention the 442 or the english old system !

All what I am saying is that we need players who have the characteristics of :

Robben
Ronaldo
Ribery
Nani
Ashley Young
Pedro
Di Maria
Eden Hazard
...etc

Player who is :
skillful
Fast
Can keep the ball under pressure

 

[cleavers]

Nani can't be far off at this stage. He tore the league apart last season and did a number on us today.

Ok I'll concede he's pretty good, the rest though are fairly average, and giggs is not a winger these days. I'd still argue that Nani is not just a winger.

 

[dctid]

Does Mancini understand the importance of having at least two world class wingers in his starting eleven !

Silva is a play maker IMHO
AJ is a good winger but he is not world class winger YET


I hope Mancini have the courage to try to impliment a non Italian formation and see if it could improve us or not.

i dont think Mancini can pick attackiong players - Silva apart struggle with the other signing - simple fact is what whisky nose has done is bought young players whom seem to do the business - yes he makes some mistakes all managers do but on the whole he gets them right - Mancini seems to buy 20 plus million strikers only

 

[cleavers]

I didnt mention the 442 or the english old system !

All what I am saying is that we need players who have the characteristics of :

Robben
Ronaldo
Ribery
Nani
Ashley Young
Pedro
Di Maria
Eden Hazard
...etc

Player who is :
skillful
Fast
Can keep the ball under pressure

All clubs want those type of players (not sure I want Young personally).

 

[dctid]

I didnt mention the 442 or the english old system !

All what I am saying is that we need players who have the characteristics of :

Robben
Ronaldo
Ribery
Nani
Ashley Young
Pedro
Di Maria
Eden Hazard
...etc

Player who is :
skillful
Fast
Can keep the ball under pressure

All clubs want those type of players (not sure I want Young personally).

i seem to remember that Whisly nose said they looked at Dzeko but they did not take him because he was not fast enough - if you look at the strikers / wingers he buys they all have a turn of pace Berbaflop apart - where as Mancini wont buy anybody that can do 100 metres in less than 20 seconds

 

[Tevez City]

I didnt mention the 442 or the english old system !

All what I am saying is that we need players who have the characteristics of :

Robben
Ronaldo
Ribery
Nani
Ashley Young
Pedro
Di Maria
Eden Hazard
...etc

Player who is :
skillful
Fast
Can keep the ball under pressure

All clubs want those type of players (not sure I want Young personally).

All clubs also wanted
Silva
Yaya
Aguero

But we end up landing these STARS.

 

[LoveCity]

Sanchez would have been our Ronaldo type of player. We'd have played Sanchez wide I think with Dzeko in the middle. Strange that the alternative to Sanchez seems to have been Aguero, who isn't really a wide man, unless he wasn't the alternative and... Cerci is the Sanchez alternative instead. :x

 

[Chipmeister]

I do not think it is just about having wingers, the best sides have pace.

Today both Young and Nani used their pace very well, running into various areas not just wide.

A bit disappointing we did not deal with them better, but at 2-0 down they are going to go for it and they did.

 

[Mastes1]

I didnt mention the 442 or the english old system !

All what I am saying is that we need players who have the characteristics of :

Robben
Ronaldo
Ribery
Nani
Ashley Young
Pedro
Di Maria
Eden Hazard
...etc

Player who is :
skillful
Fast
Can keep the ball under pressure

All clubs want those type of players (not sure I want Young personally).

All clubs also wanted
Silva
Yaya
Aguero

But we end up landing these STARS.

Wht other clubs were in for them?

 

[Tevez City]

All clubs want those type of players (not sure I want Young personally).

All clubs also wanted
Silva
Yaya
Aguero

But we end up landing these STARS.

Wht other clubs were in for them?

I don`t know, but I am sure that we were not the ONLY interested club.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Does Mancini understand the importance of having at least two world class wingers in his starting eleven !

Silva is a play maker IMHO
AJ is a good winger but he is not world class winger YET


I hope Mancini have the courage to try to impliment a non Italian formation and see if it could improve us or not.

I look at United and they have Nani Valencia Young Giggs and Park can even play out there.
I look at City and we have Balotelli AJohnson Wright-Phillips and Weiss (I don't class Silva is this type of attacker, plus he's better in the middle).

United are far stronger.