World Cup VAR

[Neville Kneville]

No, the system is fine. Even in this flawed state.

The interpretation is the problem.



Not 'until VAR' at all. VAR hasn't changed the rules to be more lenient at all. Again, I can't seem to get it through to people that the IFAB/ FIFA people have made that decision for the WORLD CUP!!

Stop making up conspiracy theories to fit your extremely poor narrative!



No, incorrect for the reasons above.



Yeah, so I watched the same replay as everyone else.

Whilst my gut was screaming 'PEN!', my head was telling me Vin tried to pull out of the challenge (left leg retreats, right leg makes light contact). But, if you ACTUALLY watch the 'contact', in no way does it remove GJ's support leg; Gabriel 'jumps'. It's a beautifully timed jump, but it's a jump! In the laws we see in the Prem that would still be called 50/ 50 (Sterling non pens as 100% proof positive examples).

VAR has nothing to do with it.

Plus, as you say, GJ was never in control of the ball, at that point.

I think the ref went off gut instincts( with Neymar Jr solely to blame for the reasoning), but I think he got lucky that VAR agreed with his assessment.

The 'system' involves 'interpretation' therefore the 'interpretation' has to be right otherwise the 'system' is wrong. Without 'interpretation' there is no system.

It's basically utter shite, but Spain & Brazil are out, England & are in so nobody on tv here gives a flying fuck & are quite happy to have this aid to corruption running the show, as they think it's fun.

And from FIFA's point of view, Russia got past Spain with it & Russia have bought them all a house, got them pissed & given them blowjobs, so it's perfect.

 

[Bigga]

I like the way you fail to address my original point (headbutt= red card) and spin some bollocks about 'conspiracy theories' and my 'narrative'.
I make a simple point yet you come out with that bollocks as deflection.
Like football, the point is simple. And just like var, you make it more complicated.

Oh. My. Lord!

It's not MY choice to keep players on the fricking field!!

Blame the football governing bodies!!

And football isn't ever "simple" otherwise there'd be free-for-alls all over the pitch!!

 

[Bigga]

The 'system' involves 'interpretation' therefore the 'interpretation' has to be right otherwise the 'system' is wrong. Without 'interpretation' there is no system.

It's basically utter shite, but Spain & Brazil are out, England & are in so nobody on tv here gives a flying fuck & are quite happy to have this aid to corruption running the show, as they think it's fun.

And from FIFA's point of view, Russia got past Spain with it & Russia have bought them all a house, got them pissed & given them blowjobs, so it's perfect.

I REALLY FAIL to see your argument! I've tried, believe me!

With or without VAR, there's going to be interpretations. There always will be with Human refereeing!!

However, with VAR guessing goes out the window and context/ intention and contact comes in to it.

Surely, SURELY this has to be a better way of determining whether certain actions are legitimate or not?!!

 

[pudge]

It probably was a penalty but VAR is not for determining whether it's a pen but to detect clear and obvious errors by the officials. I can see why it wasn't given so its not a clear and obvious error.

Borderline offsides are not "clear and obvious" mistakes from linesmen though, surely if human error is allowed for referees to an extent then the same can be applied to them.

However, if the attacker's pinky toe is seen to be offside it will be ruled out upon review. If you need to pause, review multiple angles and draw a line on the screen to determine an offside decision, is it clear and obvious?

 

[Neville Kneville]

I REALLY FAIL to see your argument! I've tried, believe me!

With or without VAR, there's going to be interpretations. There always will be with Human refereeing!!

However, with VAR guessing goes out the window and context/ intention and contact comes in to it.

Surely, SURELY this has to be a better way of determining whether certain actions are legitimate or not?!!

How the fuck can it be, if you can CHOOSE when you bother to do it ?

The excuse for letting this shit go, used to be: the ref didn't see it.

Now, they can actually decide whether or not the fucking ref sees it. He misses it, they watch it, see there's a potential problem AND DON'T FUCKING TELL HIM!!

On another day, they can suddenly decide to involve him, whenever they feel like it, with no rules in place to tell them what they have to do.

It is an absolute fucking joke.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Borderline offsides are not "clear and obvious" mistakes from linesmen though, surely if human error is allowed for referees to an extent then the same can be applied to them.

However, if the attacker's pinky toe is seen to be offside it will be ruled out upon review. If you need to pause, review multiple angles and draw a line on the screen to determine an offside decision, is it clear and obvious?

Big difference between offside (factual - you are or you aren't) and penalties at least half of which are subjective.

 

[pudge]

Big difference between offside (factual - you are or you aren't) and penalties at least half of which are subjective.

It's not about subjectivity as to what is or is not a foul. You said that it's about a clear and obvious error.

A linesman not flagging when the attackers toe is offside is not a clear and obvious mistake.

 

[BlueAnorak]

It's not about subjectivity as to what is or is not a foul. You said that it's about a clear and obvious error.

A linesman not flagging when the attackers toe is offside is not a clear and obvious mistake.

Give over. Offsides are factual.

 

[pudge]

Give over. Offsides are factual.

So are studs to the ankle inside the box.

Just because your reasoning has holes in it, don't get pissy.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So are studs to the ankle inside the box.

Just because your reasoning has holes in it, don't get pissy.

Give over. Offside and fouls are different.
Offsides are factual.
Fouls can be subjective.