I offer no particular refs from any league at all - I'm stating simply that a technical solution to this problem exists (or rather, could be developed).Which well respected refs would you suggest we use in the PL?
There's already one of these panels that decides on retrospective action. Their decisions have been less than even-handed.
largely OK, but the Kompany / Jesus decision was wrong. Clearly a penalty. VAR has been better than I expected but refereeing has been ridiculously lenient.VAR working fairly well in the world cup - some decisions are always going to be subjective so there's always going to be some disagreement.
I like that the VAR decisions are rapid - not interfering with the game - and though some decisions seem questionable to me, I think VAR has by-in-large got it right.
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As an aside - there's a way, given today's technology, to remove human bias variability from VAR. Simply convene a panel of those most well-respected referees, have them watch penalty decision videos and adjudge whether it's a penalty or not or to close to call. Save this data and use it to train an AI. Once sufficiently trained, make the AI available online and then use it in lieu of human VAR.
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This computer problem is likely harder than I've described as the input is video footage rather than a single frame of data which will likely pose new AI problems - nonetheless, it's my opinion that AI can reach/exceed the level of today's human VAR panels.
Agreed.largely OK, but the Kompany / Jesus decision was wrong. Clearly a penalty. VAR has been better than I expected but refereeing has been ridiculously lenient.
Refs must have had some instruction not so send some players off unless it was extraordinary. South American fouling (Uruguay and Colombia was extraordinary) as has been the play acting. Surely VAR or video evidence can be used to deal with this?
VAR as selective as ever !
Rubbish. A head butt on a football pitch is and always has been a straight red card, until var that is.
Correct.
Could be that they decided there was no foul because when contact is made, the ball was already out of play and logically no foul because ball was dead.
VAR team check doesn't need ref to watch to agree with them. He'd already said no penalty.
Could be that they decided there was no foul because when contact is made, the ball was already out of play and logically no foul because ball was dead.
VAR team check doesn't need ref to watch to agree with them. He'd already said no penalty.
It probably was a penalty but VAR is not for determining whether it's a pen but to detect clear and obvious errors by the officials. I can see why it wasn't given so its not a clear and obvious error.largely OK, but the Kompany / Jesus decision was wrong. Clearly a penalty. VAR has been better than I expected but refereeing has been ridiculously lenient.
Refs must have had some instruction not so send some players off unless it was extraordinary. South American fouling (Uruguay and Colombia was extraordinary) as has been the play acting. Surely VAR or video evidence can be used to deal with this?
So the ref said 'no pen' v.a.r. said 'hang on a minute let's have a look' saw Kompany foul Jesus with the ball still in play & said 'yeah yr right' ?
No, the system is fine. Even in this flawed state.
The interpretation is the problem.
Not 'until VAR' at all. VAR hasn't changed the rules to be more lenient at all. Again, I can't seem to get it through to people that the IFAB/ FIFA people have made that decision for the WORLD CUP!!
Stop making up conspiracy theories to fit your extremely poor narrative!
No, incorrect for the reasons above.
Yeah, so I watched the same replay as everyone else.
Whilst my gut was screaming 'PEN!', my head was telling me Vin tried to pull out of the challenge (left leg retreats, right leg makes light contact). But, if you ACTUALLY watch the 'contact', in no way does it remove GJ's support leg; Gabriel 'jumps'. It's a beautifully timed jump, but it's a jump! In the laws we see in the Prem that would still be called 50/ 50 (Sterling non pens as 100% proof positive examples).
VAR has nothing to do with it.
Plus, as you say, GJ was never in control of the ball, at that point.
I think the ref went off gut instincts( with Neymar Jr solely to blame for the reasoning), but I think he got lucky that VAR agreed with his assessment.
It probably was a penalty but VAR is not for determining whether it's a pen but to detect clear and obvious errors by the officials. I can see why it wasn't given so its not a clear and obvious error.