World Cup VAR

[Gorton_Tubster]

Still not decided on VAR yet.

I suspect taking the subjective decisions off the ref and giving it to to some guys in a darkened room miles away introduces more points of failure and bad decisions, and we've seen that. It might get even more controversial with Russia into the knock-outs. That decision against Russia would have been the end of VARs in it's current incarnation.

On the other hand it's potential has been seen too, it has corrected decisions that would have blighted some games.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Still not decided on VAR yet.

I suspect taking the subjective decisions off the ref and giving it to to some guys in a darkened room miles away introduces more points of failure and bad decisions, and we've seen that.

but the Ref has the final say, all the VAR refs do is highlight possible decision and allow the ref a clearer chance to look at it

 

[Super David Silva 21]

The handball given against Egypt would never have been given in the Pl yet their second one i thought was more of a pen they took bloody ages.

Few dodgy handballs in the Spain game, if you're gonna give one then you give them all

 

[Dubai Blue]

but the Ref has the final say, all the VAR refs do is highlight possible decision and allow the ref a clearer chance to look at it

I suspect his point is that there's no consistency in when the VAR refs choose to highlight things. It seems to be completely random at the moment

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

but the Ref has the final say, all the VAR refs do is highlight possible decision and allow the ref a clearer chance to look at it

The ref would have had the final say without VAR and he wouldn't have given a card at all. Also, I was watching the video being played to the ref, it looked like it was one selected angle out of context of the rest of the shenanigins from the defender, who decides that?

Not only that, the ref being shown something he has missed is in an immediate situation where (From his pov) everyone else has seen something he hasnt, puts too much pressure on him to make a decision. Lastly, who decided that was a clear mistake from the ref? Because thats the implication with VARS

If they were playing Russia last night all of those questions would have been asked imo. Russia being dodgy like.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The ref would have had the final say without VAR and he wouldn't have given a card at all. Also, I was watching the video being played to the ref, it looked like it was one selected angle out of context of the rest of the shenanigins from the defender, who decides that?

Not only that, the ref being shown something he has missed is in an immediate situation where (From his pov) everyone else has seen something he hasnt, puts too much pressure on him to make a decision. Lastly, who decided that was a clear mistake from the ref? Because thats the implication with VARS

If they were playing Russia last night all of those questions would have been asked imo. Russia being dodgy like.

again, we go back to the refs making a blind guess ? getting decisions wrong with no help whatsoever

 

[aguero93:20]

The handball given against Egypt would never have been given in the Pl yet their second one i thought was more of a pen they took bloody ages.

Few dodgy handballs in the Spain game, if you're gonna give one then you give them all

The PL referees are probably the worst going mate, if they don't give something it probably should be given.

 

[Dubai Blue]

again, we go back to the refs making a blind guess ? getting decisions wrong with no help whatsoever

You seem to be stuck in this default mode where you dismiss perfectly valid criticisms of the current system by saying referees have always made mistakes without VAR. But no one is disputing that.

It's pretty obvious that referees should be shown multiple angles to give them as much context as possible. And it's fairly obvious that introducing yet another opinion on subjective matters is going to cloud judgements further and influence the on-field referee's train of thought. It's also indisputable that VAR has been applied completely arbitrarily throughout this tournament, with very little consistency across (or even within) games.

Wanting issues like that ironed out doesn't mean people want VAR sacking off completely. It just means they've spotted the clear flaws in its current implementation.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You seem to be stuck in this default mode where you dismiss perfectly valid criticisms of the current system by saying referees have always made mistakes without VAR. But no one is disputing that.

It's pretty obvious that referees should be shown multiple angles to give them as much context as possible. And it's fairly obvious that introducing yet another opinion on subjective matters is going to cloud judgements further and influence the on-field referee's train of thought. It's also indisputable that VAR has been applied completely arbitrarily throughout this tournament, with very little consistency across (or even within) games.

Wanting issues like that ironed out doesn't mean people want VAR sacking off completely. It just means they've spotted the clear flaws in its current implementation.

that's fair enough although there is many on here who want rid of VAR all together

 

[Dubai Blue]

that's fair enough although there is many on here who want rid of VAR all together

I think it needs to move to a challenge-based system if it's going to succeed. Or at least stop the referee being unduly influenced by the VAR at random times throughout the game, and instead let him be the one who decides when to review a decision (i.e., "I didn't have a clear view of what happened there so I'm going to go and check the replay").

I just think they've tried to make it far too complicated with this current version. Should have been baby steps at first to get everyone on board with it. Instead they've gone all in and ended up polarising opinion.

 

[stonerblue]

that's fair enough although there is many on here who want rid of VAR all together

And i'm one of 'em.
It's been shite, spoiled games, got players diving all over the place, inconsistent, unfair and has done nowt to improve the game.

 

[Neville Kneville]

that's fair enough although there is many on here who want rid of VAR all together

They either get a set of rules together which makes sure every game is reffed with the same criteria, thus make sure the decisions are consistent or fuck it off.

Right now, they are picking and choosing when to apply the laws of the game, & no two games are being reffed to the same rules, which brings the competition into disrepute & means it should be fucked off.

And it should only come back IF it's sorted out, not be used to decide results while they dick about with it.

 

[Bigga]

The ref would have had the final say without VAR and he wouldn't have given a card at all. Also, I was watching the video being played to the ref, it looked like it was one selected angle out of context of the rest of the shenanigins from the defender, who decides that?

Not only that, the ref being shown something he has missed is in an immediate situation where (From his pov) everyone else has seen something he hasnt, puts too much pressure on him to make a decision. Lastly, who decided that was a clear mistake from the ref? Because thats the implication with VARS

If they were playing Russia last night all of those questions would have been asked imo. Russia being dodgy like.

You seem to be stuck in this default mode where you dismiss perfectly valid criticisms of the current system by saying referees have always made mistakes without VAR. But no one is disputing that.

It's pretty obvious that referees should be shown multiple angles to give them as much context as possible. And it's fairly obvious that introducing yet another opinion on subjective matters is going to cloud judgements further and influence the on-field referee's train of thought. It's also indisputable that VAR has been applied completely arbitrarily throughout this tournament, with very little consistency across (or even within) games.

Wanting issues like that ironed out doesn't mean people want VAR sacking off completely. It just means they've spotted the clear flaws in its current implementation.

Well, from what I've seen it isn't a case that the ref is given a set of one or two angles to look at. I've seen a multitude of angles that come up on the screen for thr ref. However, it MIGHT be the case that the VAR officials suggest and angle they think 'is best' to him and that's what you're seeing.

I'm pretty sure a ref can ask for other angles.

 

[Bigga]

I think it needs to move to a challenge-based system if it's going to succeed. Or at least stop the referee being unduly influenced by the VAR at random times throughout the game, and instead let him be the one who decides when to review a decision (i.e., "I didn't have a clear view of what happened there so I'm going to go and check the replay").

I just think they've tried to make it far too complicated with this current version. Should have been baby steps at first to get everyone on board with it. Instead they've gone all in and ended up polarising opinion.

Whilst I understand what you mean about giving the ref the sole decision on VAR, how would that make any real difference to how it is now??

At least letting the participants of the game take control with the 2 challenge system (and potentially as well as the ref as they regain control), we would see many of the things we currently complain about (diving, surrounding the ref etc, etc) dissipate.

Maybe not all together, but certainly way below the current average.

I really like the idea of 'pick your incidents carefully' to teams. Yellow cards dished out after they run out of challenges if players ask for a review? Imagine a player trying to 'take a tumble' who's already on a yellow? That idea's ace and would stop the bullshit straight off!

What's not to love...??

 

[roj]

Anyone think they intentionally ignored the offside for Peru's first goal? After all, the Peruvians have gone over there in serious numbers and really brightened up the event.

Even the pundits didn't seem to dwell on it cos we all love Peru (including me fwiw).

But if I was Australian and France had beaten Denmark...

 

[Gordyola]

And i'm one of 'em.
It's been shite, spoiled games, got players diving all over the place, inconsistent, unfair and has done nowt to improve the game.

I’m another and it’s beung used exactly as I predicted.
Interesting though that the initial freeze frames that TV show are usually contradicted by the VAR version. Does this mean that for years we’ve been mislead by these freeze frames, clearly the VAR version are computer generated from a number of different angles like the goal line ones

 

[aguero93:20]

I think it needs to move to a challenge-based system if it's going to succeed. Or at least stop the referee being unduly influenced by the VAR at random times throughout the game, and instead let him be the one who decides when to review a decision (i.e., "I didn't have a clear view of what happened there so I'm going to go and check the replay").

I just think they've tried to make it far too complicated with this current version. Should have been baby steps at first to get everyone on board with it. Instead they've gone all in and ended up polarising opinion.

Iran were well out of challenges before their penalty last night. While I don't mind a challenge system I don't think football is ready for one.

 

[aguero93:20]

Anyone think they intentionally ignored the offside for Peru's first goal? After all, the Peruvians have gone over there in serious numbers and really brightened up the event.

They really should have dealt with Denmark knocking our lot out in the playoffs then, missed opportunity for FIFA.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Whilst I understand what you mean about giving the ref the sole decision on VAR, how would that make any real difference to how it is now??

At least letting the participants of the game take control with the 2 challenge system (and potentially as well as the ref as they regain control), we would see many of the things we currently complain about (diving, surrounding the ref etc, etc) dissipate.

Maybe not all together, but certainly way below the current average.

I really like the idea of 'pick your incidents carefully' to teams. Yellow cards dished out after they run out of challenges if players ask for a review? Imagine a player trying to 'take a tumble' who's already on a yellow? That idea's ace and would stop the bullshit straight off!

What's not to love...??

That's a really easy system to operate & works well in Cricket apart from they have the stupid situation that the umpire is still correct, when he gets it wrong, if he's only 'a bit' wrong.

And whiny buffoons suffer, because they use up their challenges with stupid appeals.

But of course it would be much harder to fix games, with that system, so probably not in FIFA's best interests.

 

[Afterthefact]

It's hard to argue that overall the system is working and that it has rectified more wrong/right calls than not, and that the ones it's missed would've been missed otherwise. None too many that were right/wrong and have been reversed, no?